Stop horse abuse - use parelli!

Think you may have just lit the blue touch paper there!

I am going to get some popcorn and a deck chair - please dont start without me !

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Are you a troll?
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Aaargh, the P word!!!

I predict a riot!
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You're certainly not in the minority, BlackDiamond. I think most people on here's horses go perfectly well without the need for Parelli and the obligatory (and costly) DVDs, string headcollars and orange painted sticks. I hate the way the Parelli preachers tell you if you don't do it their way then you are a crap owner/rider and don't love your horse. Now we are all abusers too, it seems. What a load of tosh!!
 
Just search for P on here and you will see what we all think...

If you want to see horse cruelty, just take a look at Project Horses or 'P gone wrong horses' as some call it.
 
*I predict a riot* *sings very loudly*

I think i've made my thoughts on the subject clear on this one in other threads. My favourite argument on here was about schooling whips and "carrot sticks," it went somthing like you couldn't use a schooling whip to touch body parts (i.e. to get them to move over or lift a leg or put expression into a piaffe from the ground) by its nature its a whip, only a carrot stick can be used! what a load of crap
 
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If you want to see horse cruelty, just take a look at Project Horses or 'P gone wrong horses' as some call it.

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Even kelly marks (who although has good ideas isn't great or a very nice person) said half the horses she gets are parelli horses gone wrong and 90% are headshy
 
Its not that I think its tosh - I love to watch them do it, then I go get on my horse and ride him the way we both know how!

Every tiny different thought on riding has its place I think, but I don't like the suggestion that riding normally is cruel...

Thats quite a blinkered view.
 
I haven't had much to do with P. Although I can't see why getting my horse to put his feel on things, or sliding off him over his bum would in any way help, assist or improve our relationship??????????

Oh, and it really annoys me that they never wear a proper hat.

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The only problem with any kind of horse training method is when people get blinkers on and think its the ONLY way to train horses. I personally don't think that parelli is for me but that dosen't mean it can't work for other as part of their entire toolkit!

Liked this thread as it lead me to this http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=wrqBoxPi70Q&feature=related which I though was hilarious (was one of the links on the right).
 
I agree that the whole "use our stuff or you are crap" is nonsense, however, I am of the opinion that you can cherry pick ideas from all methods and do what suits you and your horse. The most helpful thing I found is using barrels to get my fat horse to realise that he can fit through small spaces. It really worked. BUT, my local Parelli bunch (although they are not trained so can't use the Parelli name lol) came to do a demo for me and they were rude, unfriendly and desperate to sell their wares. It put me off big time.......People have to learn to treat horses as individuals and train them accordingly, I think.
 
I have popcorn a frothy beverage ,comfy chair .Here we go !!!!Over the years as a farrier the only animals I've turned down were Parrelli grads. One client had older stock , good lads all round .Then ST>PAT training ....After that if a lead rope shook they would explode backwards and could not be tied ANYWHERE !!! If you notice Pat and Linda ALWAYS ride the same horses .The rest of the show is merely a liberty act you can view at a small circus. And children ST. PAT is an absolute eat [****] rider . His nonsense gets many people hurt ,mostly female ,unfit physically and a bit green . They buy Speeding Bullet from the race track ,shove him full of grain and supplements buy a video and a carrot stick [this IS"NT A WHIP ,JUST WHAT I USE TO BEAT HIS ASS WHEN YOU AI"NT LOOOKING}and hone their "Savvy" till the wreck comes .Savvy is a code name for BULLSHIT!!!!!
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IS"NT A WHIP ,JUST WHAT I USE TO BEAT HIS ASS WHEN YOU AI"NT LOOOKING

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LOL

Do you know when that advert comes on

"Right brain introvert, left brain extrovert" I feel like smashing the telly up.
 
as with most things bits of it can be useful but i upset several people when i but pulled my horse off a taster session on the yard after 'trainer' waved a halter repeatedly in his face to 'get him to move away from the energy' - no - he was scared and i didnt want a head shy horse. we were doing ok without it and we didnt do any more.
 
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as with most things bits of it can be useful but i upset several people when i but pulled my horse off a taster session on the yard after 'trainer' waved a halter repeatedly in his face to 'get him to move away from the energy' - no - he was scared and i didnt want a head shy horse. we were doing ok without it and we didnt do any more.

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'Get him to move away from the energy'?!?! Away from the moron waving a halter in his face more like! Well done for making your feelings plain and taking your horse away.
 
Just watched the video and the only thing it makes a reasonable argument for getting rid of is americans!
The bit and whip in the vid are not and never were standard BHS issue are they?
It makes me really cross, I've said it before and I'll say it again, fine, USA riders, if you think Parelli irons out some of your abuses, then go ahead and Parelli to your heart's content, but what are you doing over here?
We never did rodeos in the first place, and the founding fathers of the BHS/Pony Club forgot more about horse mastership than the Parellis will ever know.
 
I use ground work, long lining etc. but IMO P is a dirty word. All types of training are just conditioning a horse to exhibit a certain behaviour on a given command. All they are doing is changing the command.

"One could ... teach a horse to canter by pulling his right ear and to halt when his shoulder was slapped. In time the horse would come to rely on these signals and would not obey the more conventional ones.....To produce horses trained in such a way might be amusing, but few people are likely to appreciated so warped a sense of humour."

The Horseman's Manual Elwyn Hartley Edwards 1990, opposite this passage is a picture of the author cantering in an open field bridleless, it is titled 'supremacy of leg over hand' - nuff said.
 
Would like to see Parelli stop their heads from hurting if they ever fall off - you horse can be as safe as houses - but that doesn't stop you're head falling apart if you fall off does it?!

Total f*ckwits!!

So does John Whitaker use Parelli when he does demonstrations jumping with no tack on - I think not!!! F*ckwits!!!
 
It seems to me that to do parelli or similar you have to completely change everything you and your horse do and the way you do it, you cant just iron out a few kinks.
 
i am freelance trainer so see a lot of different yards on my rounds, it seems to me that the ones that do Parelli are the ones who are too scared to ride so like to do every thing from the ground.

One yard i go to several of the liveries are "P" mad, I have never seen any of them ride but they do not leave the poor horses alone, for hours at a time they are waving sticks at them even in the field.

I have watched it on Horse and Country TV to see what it is all about and it definately is not for me but if you are a nervous rider it might make you feel like you are training your horse to do something not sure what tho.
 
wow i'm also on an American forum... It's exactly the same as this.. half the yanks don't like parelli either so...

I'm no big fan, never tried it doubt i will.. riding a horse like that comes from passion/trust/love/good training and a lot of time and effort.. personally i think parelli is a load of BS but hey if it helps you go for it.
 
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