Stop horse abuse - use parelli!

These threads are so amusing, mine's a vodka Red Bull by the way...
You do realise this isn't an official Parelli video though don't you? It is just another half-wit devotee putting their personal viewpoint across. I think the Parellis themselves are much more open to people who compete and take part in all sorts of equestrian sport. They use spurs, curb bits and whips as well.
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Even kelly marks (who although has good ideas isn't great or a very nice person) said half the horses she gets are parelli horses gone wrong and 90% are headshy

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Yep, if she says that then I don't think she's very nice either - it's always unprofessional to knock the opposition.
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daft statements like one about anything other than parelli is abuse, winds me up. it is just stupid and ignorant.
Now you can shoot me down i flames if you like but, I have ridden for a long time but when i got my ex racer i was totally at a loss what to do with her. I met a lady who is an eventer and she agreed to help me out. Using a mixture of parelli methods and common sense good horsemanship, i now have a very sane and sensible horse that i can have lots of fun with. She doesn't stand on barrels and do circus tricks etc. I don't do everything on the ground because i am scared to ride. I ride most days and don't do all the games now although we can have a play if i can't ride for some reason ie missing shoe or something.
I think there is more than one way to skin a cat and i am not saying that nothing else would have worked for us but to be honest parelli did. She was never struck about the head or anywhere else with a carrot stick or smacked in the face with the weight on the lead rope. I wouldn't have let that happen. So she is certainly not head shy or anything else although she was when i got her.
So, sorry but it worked for me.
I think the promotional stuff does them no favours as it looks like ott circus tricks and Unfortunately that is what most people base their opinion on so you can't blame them for not liking it if that is all they have seen.
I also agree that, like anything, it can go wrong if it is in the wrong hands, like a lot of things.
 
Do you feel patronised skewbald? Seriously, I didn't mean to do that, but I am really, truly drinking Vodka + Red Bull at the end of a knackering day when too many horses have been worked so maybe my bloke head didn't read between the lines of what I'd posted enough.
It is a point though isn't it? Many people here are reacting to this video as if it's expressing some sort of "official" Parelli point of view. And it isn't.
I've said it before, Parelli isn't the best of what "natural" style trainers have to offer. Personally, I will have a good look at what any good, effective horse person does - even BHS folk LOL! and be happy to learn from them regardless of the label. I think there is some good in Parelli, but it lacks a bit of subtlety - so worth looking around.
Can't say I've found a lot of interest in what Miss Marks teaches, but maybe that's because it sort of seems like the beginner stuff, if it won't upset too many people when I say that. (Oh, and I think Join Up is a waste of time). I get really irritated with people who knock the opposition though. I've dealt with "problem" horses that have been through the gloves of Kelly's associates, but I don't take that as an excuse to knock what all of them do. It's just that they weren't right for that particular horse.
 
Bloody Americans! Think you will find it is , "responsible for THEIR own actions".... Anyway, that's all I have to say about that. Flowery crap!
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Fairly new to horses .... so go easy

I fully agree that obsessed 'nutters' who preach that there is only one way to train a horse and 'everything else is wrong , cruel etc' deserve the contempt they recieve on this forum.

The main reason for my thinking. is that they are completely blinkered to any other ideas and learnings, which in the long run will not allow them to get the most from and for their horse.

Interestingly the above could also be applied to a number of people on this forum who also seem unable to admit even 0.1% of any natural horsemanship approach might help them.

Personally I love learning & understanding. I can then make reasoned decisions as to whether I think something works or is the right thing for me.

I have no axe to grind about parelli, but to choose one clip off you tube by some nutter and extrapolate to cover the whole thing is illogical. It would be easy to do this about anything from horse riding to religion !!

Whilst looking through you tube at the parelli stuff to try and understand the emotion it seems to generate, I found this clip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow2yDdRK_Zc

At risk of being abused and banished to a different forum, what is so awful about this (apart from the hat) ?

I'll now put my tin hat on and keep my head down .........
 
I've used groundwork on both my boys - bit of joinup, long reining etc but I've just turned a woman away from viewing Ty because she practiced the P word.

I wouldn't subject him to a life of carrot sticks and arse clowns.
 
I would say that a good 10 to 20 % of NH makes perfect sense. Trouble is, there is nothing new about that 10 or 20%, its just good common horse sense, as always taught or utilised by good horsemen from any background. So it isn't 'NH' or it's just H.
The bits with silly names and/or a price tag, are the unique elements. Also the less than useless elements.
 
It is the reason for the existence of any business to make money.

I bought some boots for our boy today .... Mark Todd brand ... the mark up must be at least 100%.

Why is this acceptable ??
 
Did you buy them because you had watched a $300 series of Mark Todd DVDs on which he convinced you that if you did not buy his particular brand of boots, you were cruel, unenlightened, and obviously given to roping and branding, at all?
Or would another brand have done just as well, but you just fancied those?
 
All products are advertised as being better than the next companys, or providing some benefit that no-one else's does. Granted it does not normally suggest other products are cruel.

The post above says parelli is all about commercialism and making money. I still suggest this is true of all of the professionals advertising stuff in the magazines and branding products and are doing it to line their own pockets. They are most certainly not doing it for the good of horses. I don't have any prob with this as we all need to make a living.


BTW I bought these as they were the only ones in the shop large enough for our 17.3hh lad.
 
I'm about making money too. I earn my living from horses, so the more money I can make the better.
The mark-up on most products we buy in the shops is huge. It is on the tack we all buy as well. The Parelli halters and gear are no differen. Just as you could make your own clothes, then you can also make rope halters.
This "NH" thing is tricky isn't it? The trainers who use these sort of techniques (and all their other common horse sense) need some way to let people know that they are a little bit different. After all, they tend to have a different way of doing things to your local BHS trainer... But many of them are now dropping the "Natural" out of their branding, adverts etc, just because they don't want to be lumped in with Parelli.
 
Suzy ,

And does Mark Todd actually use the boots I bought on his own horses ??

Are they any better than any others because he personally 'blesses' them ?

Does he put his name to them for free, or do you think (just maybe) he takes a cut of the exorbitant price ??

Anybody can slag something off, but why not try answering the questions above and help me understand the difference.

It will be intersting to see if you can put aside your bias for one second to add some logic to your posts !!
 
Ok don't burn me down here...I've only just known about the whole thing in the past few months...i'm not agreeing with all their methods but I have been trying out a few things. I have had a fair few hiccups with my horse he's very strong minded and rediculously sharp bolshy and arrogant too but other times soft and unsure of himself too. I did loose my confidece but am gaining it back, he has just had a serious bout of laminitis so i haven't been able to ride him so yes i do have to work from the ground i'm not scared to get on him but i have found some methods very helpful.
All I can say is don't knock it 'till you tried it lol
 
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