Stradivarious - One Final Song

[Elf On A Shelf]

They would be better off gelding because the flat breeders won’t be interest him. he is to big boned he is built like a notional hunt horse flat breeders want lighter build horse and isn’t fast enough and hasn’t traveled around the world to the big races . He would be considered to slow in reality he is breed to be notional hunt horse but is racing in flat. This is probably the reason why owner won’t retire him and try to keep him going because he doesn’t have any value in breeding they aren’t stupid they know deep down there won’t be a interest. part of me feels sorry for the horse because he probably end up breaking down. There is a lot to be said for retraining.

What utter nonsense ? he is by Sea The Stars who is a Guinaes, Derby, Juddmonte International and Arc winner (and is a half brother to Galileo) out of a 10furlong mare and from a miler family. He is flat bred through and through.

Most NH horses are flat bred or have come off of the flat. Tiger Roll is completely flat bred and stays 4miles! Many are not built like old fashioned Chasers anymore but are lighter framed types that were tripless on the flat.

He will end up siring National Hunt horses if they want foals on the ground. The problem is the purely the money involved in NH is a mere fraction of what is involved in on the flat. There's also no global recognition for NH sires. Flat sires either shuttle or have mares sent to them from all over the world. Its the prestige more than anything.

 

[Orangehorse]

Considering his breeding there is no reason why an owner of a flat mare wouldn't use Stradivarius. There will always be exceptional individuals, but do they always go on to sire very successful racehorses, or does breeding come to the fore in the end? Otherwise every Derby winner mated to an Oaks winner would produce another Derby winner. While that sometimes happens it is by no means a given.

I admire his owners and trainer. The trainer for keeping him sweet and ready to run and the owner for wanting him to carry on doing what he is bred for.

I always feel sorry for those 3 and 4 year olds sent to stud, having been brought up and trained to gallop, then after a couple of years never to gallop at full speed on a racecourse again, but led in hand around a stud and turned out in a small field.

 

[Cortez]

Considering his breeding there is no reason why an owner of a flat mare wouldn't use Stradivarius. There will always be exceptional individuals, but do they always go on to sire very successful racehorses, or does breeding come to the fore in the end? Otherwise every Derby winner mated to an Oaks winner would produce another Derby winner. While that sometimes happens it is by no means a given.

I admire his owners and trainer. The trainer for keeping him sweet and ready to run and the owner for wanting him to carry on doing what he is bred for.

I always feel sorry for those 3 and 4 year olds sent to stud, having been brought up and trained to gallop, then after a couple of years never to gallop at full speed on a racecourse again, but led in hand around a stud and turned out in a small field.

That is supposing that they managed to retire sound, I presume?

 

[tristar]

fabulous horse with a fabulous pedigree

i would love a filly by him

 

[humblepie]

There isn't any reason not to keep him in training if he can still perform at the highest level - he is a long distance stayer and if he was in other discipline, would only just be getting going at high level at 8.

 

[Brummyrat1]

There isn't any reason not to keep him in training if he can still perform at the highest level - he is a long distance stayer and if he was in other discipline, would only just be getting going at high level at 8.

I totally agree, those people who are crying out for him to be retired make me shake my head. The horse is obviously extremely well, loving life, loves going racing, has speed to die for still and as for sending him to stud....he has no idea what "stud" is, I'm sure all he worries about is what time his dinner's arriving and that he has a warm bed at night. If he was a much loved NH horse then yes I could probably understand the concern but he's not.

 

[teapot]

Announced this morning he has been retired, and will stand at stud.

 

[Elf On A Shelf]

I'm glad and I am sad. He has been a phenomenal horse over the years and he is to stand at the National Stud in Newmarket. It will be interesting to see what price he goes in at and what mares are sent to him.

 

[Parrotperson]

Yes Elf. Very interesting since his owner insists flat mates only.

Can’t see it myself. Dual purpose surely.

 

[Brummyrat1]

Feel the same Elf, sad we wont see him Champions Day but really, what else does he have to prove. He's the most striking animal to look at, I think I'll miss seeing him more than actually miss seeing him race. There's something about a two miler that captures the heart.