Strange one.... How to convince a RS they should sell horsey to ME!

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OK, sorry, bit of a strange one!
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I have already asked (well, someone asked for me!) if the yard where I ride (and use to keep my last horse) would sell Horlicks to me. They said they are not selling her at the moment...
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Now admittedly, I didn't ask, mainly because the YM is not there when I am, so wouldn't see her to ask, but do you think I should ask her face to face and would it make a difference?
How can I convince her that Horlicks is wasted as a RS horse, and is an ideal RC type... plus she would still be bringing money in, but as a livery and not a RS horse!!
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I am feeling really "horse-lonely" at the moment, and have missed out so many times, over the years, to own the "perfect" steed, and now I have found her, I feel I should really make my feeling clear to the YM!
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Did anyone here ride a horse, and had to convince owner to sell, but eventually did?
I know its sad, but I can't stop thinking about all the fun we COULD have if she were mine, plus she is not happy as a RS horse, I can tell!!
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Triple choc cookies all round!!

Lippy x
 
If they are not planning to sell the horse now it is because they have a use for the horse, and the horse is fullfilling a role. It isn't that simple to find horses that are entirely suitable for RS work. As long as the horse keeps working well for them they will keep it
 
at the moment................. well that can be worked on! I would speak to the YM yourself and see what reaction you get. Also I have known yards in the past do loan schemes which although not ideal might help, particuarly if they can't do without her for a bit, a lot of places are busier in the summer than winter

Or we could do a HHO petition for you
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Does the YM actually own the horse? If so I think you should have a heart to heart with her and explain how you feel and make the point about the livery costs. Be prepared to pay over the odds if you really want Horlicks as they might squeeze you knowing how much you want her.
 
Keep Nagging ??
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Seriously though I hope someone comes up with something because it sounds like this horse is meant to be yours. If I were you I would go straight to the decision maker of Horlicks and say it straight just as you have put in your post. You have got nothing to lose. Good luck will keep everything crossed for you.
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Ester - Petition sounds like a plan!! I will have to pin down YM I think and plead with her! I have even thought of "part loaning" her through the summer, until the season becomes quieter and then taking having her signed over after?

Mother-Hen, I would agree, BUT she is not in full work at the moment in the school, as she is "too much" for the clients at the moment. She only really gets used for students and the more advanced riders (which are few and far between). This is purely down to her way of going, BIG and BOUNCEY type of ride that novicey riders may be put off by. Now the other week she pulled a shoe (loose rather than off) and was kept in her stable for a few a days until the farrier could turn up. Apparantly, she become a bit too much even for the students to ride, and they all refused to until she was out in the field again (she just put in a few excitable bucks).

To me, thats not a horse earning her keep?! I've been riding her at the weekend because she is not in enough work at the moment.....
 
Are you kidding?
You asked if she was for sale, the YM said no, and now you are planning to petition, beg and by the sounds of it be a complete pain in the arse in a bid to convince YM to sell?
Words completely fail me, that is like someone begging to buy my horse, when he is clearly not for sale. I feel very sorry for your YM to be honest.
 
Chico - Its the RS that really owns her as apposed to the YM (I say YM as she is the daughter of the YO) I know they will probably ask for too much, but I know they wouldn't have paid much for her (they have a "dealer" contact, and they bought her as an unbacked baby!)

She IS the horse for me!!
 
My OH ( a finance dude) says 'everything is for sale for the right price' i.e if you give them an offer they cant refuse they wont turn it down, for all they know she could break a leg tomorrow and be worth nothing.

If I was you, I would talk to the woman, give the sob story, emphasise the home for life ect ect to see..but tbh shes running a business and if shes hard nosed and getting a good return off lessons on her she will only sell the horse if its an economically viable option (i.e if she think shes getting a really good price).

Good luck with it though, you sound like you really love her and from your sig she looks gorgeous!
 
For once I disagree with Rosiie, as this is exactly how I ended up buying my horse! He wasn't for sale, I made it very clear how much I absolutely adored him and how sad I was that he wasn't for sale, and the owner decided that actually as I loved him so much I could buy him!

Fact is, nothing ventured, nothing gained! At least if you get a firm NO you know where you stand!
 
Speak to the YM yourself and tell her that you would very much like to buy the horse, and is there a chance she could be for sale at the right price? IF the answer is no - simply ask her to bear you in mind should the situation change.

For goodness sake don't go down the ridiculous route of a petition.........
 
Think you need to have the chat face to face. Before you go write down exactly why you want her and how much you're willing to pay. If they say no don't harrass them but say that if anything ever changes would they give you first refusal. it could be that it gets to winter with limited turnout and not earning her keep they will consider selling then but don't badger them. To be fair you don't know how seriously your friend phrased it - she may have just said something in passing. Maybe arrange a meeting with the yard owner and go up specifically at a time aside from your lesson to discuss it as a business matter almost.
 
If youre' really certain then I think you should make the effort to see the YM face to face, come up with a figure that you're prepared to pay and offer that. If she says no then you need to back down graciously, perhaps suggesting that if in the future they want to sell her that they consider you.
 
You really should talk to her owner in person, I think that could make a big difference!

Also do stress that you'd keep her there and pay livery... surely it's a win-win situation for them?
 
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Also do stress that you'd keep her there and pay livery... surely it's a win-win situation for them?

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Although they would be well aware that there is nothing binding in this and you could move the horse the day you handed over the money
 
Don't worry, I'm not really going to do a petition! I'm not that desparate!!

I think I will write down all I want to say and of course my offer and see if I can get a meeting with the YM.
Even the peeps on the yard have all said "every thing has a price" and its not the first time they have sold a horse onto a client!

If they so no, then yes I will back down, but will also ask them to think of me if the situation changes!

Thanks for your advice!! xx
 
My daughters RS sold a favourite adult riders horse to a lady who was besotted with him. I'm told they were reluctant to sell him but eventually they agreed a price: she paid a lot more for him than his true value and the price included a sum for loss of revenue for the RS.
I think you have to ask the owner outright yourself.
 
I agree - do ask the owner the only thing I would say Lippy is that with your price bracket they may be offended. If it is the coloured in your sig she would be worth more than your budget. But nothing tried nothing gained!
 
Offer to buy her but promise to keep her their on working livery? They would still have partial use of her so are more likely to agree, and it would be cheaper livery for you!
 
Chestnutmare = I have no idea of price to offer. I'm sure they didn't pay alot, and they backed her. Typical baby, bit unbalanced, 16hh, about 5 yrs old. Few knocks on her legs (no splints/lumps) and has a few nasty marks on her face from ill fitting headcollars and tack (bald patches at present) very long in the back, and HUGE feet!

TasteofChaos = Thats a good idea, but would have to have a contract drawn up saying types of riders who can ride her and when (as I'd want to compete at weekend!)
 
I was in the same situation 13 years ago. I fell in love with one of the horses at a RS where I rode and when i decided to buy I realised that i couldn't bear to not see him again.

I did ask the owner of the RS directly, at first he did say the horse wasn't for sale then he had a think about it (one or two of the girls may have put in a word for me
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I did pay a bit over the odds for him but I thought that was fair as they didn't particularly want to sell him and I really wanted to buy him. This also meant that they could buy another (to them) better horse with the money.

I have to say that every penny was well spent, I have never for a moment regretted buying him and he is my horse of a lifetime
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ETS. So I really think you should go and speak to the owner directly.
 
What about asking if you could buy her if you kept her there as a working livery. That way she gets to be yours and they have limited use of her for their better clients, plus your livery bill would be cheaper.
 
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Offer to buy her but promise to keep her their on working livery? They would still have partial use of her so are more likely to agree, and it would be cheaper livery for you!

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Recipe for disaster......
 
Offer cold hard cash. I used to work for a riding school, and a dozen or so horses were never 'for sale' (the rest were fair game!) However, of those 12 or so, they all had their magic number that the boss woul sell them for, and it was a logical amount - how much it would cost to replace with a like horse.

We bought most of them as babies, broke and schooled them ourselves, lots of man hours went into producing nice safe school horses. Now it doesn't sound like this horse is quite there yet, but if they bought it unbroken, the horse will have appreciated considerably over the year or so they have had it - but if you were to, for example, go and buy a 5yo ideal RC type horse, how much would you expect to pay - several thousand at minimum I would guess. Now add in the time and effort it would take to replace the horse, likely they wouldn't be able to get a like for like replacement from their dealer (he would be far better selling that sort of horse privately) so they would have to buy another baby, which means that horse cannot be earning the same money for another year or so - 1 horse x 20 per lesson x 10 lessons per week x 52 weeks is over 10k, less the expenses of keeping it (not huge for a riding school horse).

I would work out what the fair market value of the horse was, based on a 5yo riding club horse, comparing it with current ads, offer that, then if refused, offer a 20% premium on top, plus point out how much you would then pay them in livery (and offer to pay e.g. 6/12 months up front). If that doesn't work, sorry - it would have worked on our yard - especially the livery up front part!
 
Every riding school should have a system where the horses have a fair working life and then the chance of a proper one to one home
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I am sure if you play it properly you will have a successful outcome..... especially as she doesnt sound especially ideal for all and sundry!!

Good luck, and will watch this space for an update and new owner news!!!
 
I am in a similar situation. A woman i know bred a gorgeous foal who i have always wanted since he was born. He is now a 2 year old and she is adamant that she won't sell him but shes selling his full brother. I really want her to sell him but have no idea how to persuade her. Just keep your fingers crossed and keep praying for a miracle!!
 
Our problem was keeping them long enough - despite the staff's protestations, nothing would be around more than a couple of years! So many clients bought them, paying silly money in some cases! The only ones we made sure we kept were the ones we worried about being passed from pillar to post (e.g. old pony prone to lami, 2 with sweetitch, etc). When I was back last time, there were only a couple I remembered, everything else had gone on to new homes!
 
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