Strangers riding my horse without permission

Knew someone who had a cottage where they went at the weekend to hunt the horses were in full livery nearby .
One week having decided to take some time off at short notice she arrived at her cottage ( next door to yard ) to see the lorry return from hunting she was unamused to see her horses coming off the lorry , they where using them as hirelings when she was away .
 
babymare said:
Really Goldenstar!!!!!!oh my the utmost of cheek and irresponsible beyond belief. Words fail me
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Yup she bought the horses home and sold the cottage, she was so cross as she said when she thought about it there where clues but she missed them because she thought they where friends .
 
Goldenstar said:
Knew someone who had a cottage where they went at the weekend to hunt the horses were in full livery nearby .
One week having decided to take some time off at short notice she arrived at her cottage ( next door to yard ) to see the lorry return from hunting she was unamused to see her horses coming off the lorry , they where using them as hirelings when she was away .
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People are insane! Imagine loosing 2+ full livery horse (presumably inc. exercise and prep for hunting in season) so £150 a week ish each ?!? which would be the best part of £10k a year just to get some hireling cash - what £100 ish? Not to mention risk to their reputation if one of the horses was injured - crazy but clearly it does happen
 
Goldenstar said:
Knew someone who had a cottage where they went at the weekend to hunt the horses were in full livery nearby .
One week having decided to take some time off at short notice she arrived at her cottage ( next door to yard ) to see the lorry return from hunting she was unamused to see her horses coming off the lorry , they where using them as hirelings when she was away .
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OMG!! thats terrible not only is it immoral but imagine if they had been seriously injured!!!
 
Reminds me of a conversation myself and a colleague had the other day.

As a teenager (18), she kept a horse on full livery at a riding school. Went away on holiday for 2 weeks, left them with clear instructions that said horse was okay to be used for walk/trot/canter lessons whilst she was away, but under no circumstances were they to jump him due to a past injury.

Not even halfway through the holiday, she got a call to say that he'd been in a jump lesson, and had fallen and broken bother front legs whilst jumping, and had been pts on the spot. She's not ridden since. :/
 
I once moved my horse because twice he was turned out with another despite me asking for solo turnout. After the first time I explained how important it was to me, after the second I did not make a fuss, just organised alternative accommodation and went the next day with the money I owed, loaded up and went.

I agree how the YO reacts is all important. If he / she is horrified fair enough, and the other livery should leave, or at least apologise and have their card marked. If I did not feel safe to leave my horse there then I would go.

This is from someone who now keeps their horse at home, so no one else but me and my husband touch him!
 
I haven't read the whole thread. But if you can't leave, I'd speak to the people who have been riding. After all, you said they were nice. I'd rather have nice people officially sharing my horse (and paying me), than goodness knows who riding it when the other person hires it out. If the nice people are there daily, that's another block of time the bad person can't be using your horse!
 
I'm afraid if someone rode my horse without permission, I'd go a tad postal. I agree with all those who have told you you should take this up with YM/YO . . . and that you shouldn't be the one to move (unless you don't get any support from YM/YO, in which case MOVE).

I honestly don't understand how someone would think it was perfectly ok to ride someone else's horse without permission . . . really, I don't.

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Sugar_and_Spice said:
I haven't read the whole thread. But if you can't leave, I'd speak to the people who have been riding. After all, you said they were nice. I'd rather have nice people officially sharing my horse (and paying me), than goodness knows who riding it when the other person hires it out. If the nice people are there daily, that's another block of time the bad person can't be using your horse!
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OP, please do not do this. Your insurance company would not be impressed!
 
Kitei said:
Reminds me of a conversation myself and a colleague had the other day.

As a teenager (18), she kept a horse on full livery at a riding school. Went away on holiday for 2 weeks, left them with clear instructions that said horse was okay to be used for walk/trot/canter lessons whilst she was away, but under no circumstances were they to jump him due to a past injury.

Not even halfway through the holiday, she got a call to say that he'd been in a jump lesson, and had fallen and broken bother front legs whilst jumping, and had been pts on the spot. She's not ridden since. :/
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OMG that is awful. There are some irresponsible people in this world
 
Of course it shouldn't happen.

I hope OP has spoken to YO by now.

IMO it is not a good idea for OP to confront the other livery, she should talk to YO and then leave YO to deal with the other livery. YO should give the other livery notice to leave and ensure that the horse isn't touched by any-one else until the livery has left. If YO doesn't give livery notice or tries to downplay the incident in any way, OP should leave this yard asap.
 
Pearlsasinger said:
IMO it is not a good idea for OP to confront the other livery, she should talk to YO and then leave YO to deal with the other livery. YO should give the other livery notice to leave and ensure that the horse isn't touched by any-one else until the livery has left. If YO doesn't give livery notice or tries to downplay the incident in any way, OP should leave this yard asap.
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Agree completely
 
Sugar_and_Spice said:
plenty of people have paying sharers.
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Presumably those sharers have insurance for liability and personal injury and have also agreed not to sue if/when their novice child falls off the horse that is not suitable for a novice? Accepting money for rides impacts on the validity of your insurance policy with regards to liability, etc. By negating it.

But more to the point, the OP has stated very clearly that she doesn't want anyone but her handling or riding her horse! There is no choosing between the lesser of two evils here - if she wanted a sharer, she would have advertised for one! The person responsible lent out her horse without permission, the people paying to ride it have no right to do so at all. There are riding schools for that.
 
Arizahn said:
Presumably those sharers have insurance for liability and personal injury and have also agreed not to sue if/when their novice child falls off the horse that is not suitable for a novice? Accepting money for rides impacts on the validity of your insurance policy with regards to liability, etc. By negating it.

But more to the point, the OP has stated very clearly that she doesn't want anyone but her handling or riding her horse! There is no choosing between the lesser of two evils here - if she wanted a sharer, she would have advertised for one! The person responsible lent out her horse without permission, the people paying to ride it have no right to do so at all. There are riding schools for that.
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I wasn't suggesting the OP take money for rides, I suggested she ask these people if they wanted to be sharer. Other horse owners and their sharers manage to come to some sort of agreement/arrangement regarding insurance. I'm sure the OP, if she wanted these people as sharers, could do the same.

As for choosing between lesser of two evils... In an ideal world the OP wouldn't have to do this. But she has stated she may not be able to leave this yard due to not currently having a car. Ideally the YO will kick the other livery who has been using OPs horse, off the yard. But its not an ideal world and the YO may not do this.

OP if the stables are brick and the bed rubber mats with hardly any bedding (so minimal fire risk) I'd consider locking the horse in the stable as another potential solution to this problem until you can move yards.
 
Or hand grazing her horse on the verge outside her house while on the phone to yards trying to find one with space tonight!! (it's probably where I would be rather than leave him somewhere I couldn't trust the people - but I am a control freek)
 
Hi all, update here...sorry only just got onto pc.
Well, I was very careful with my words, went upto the person who was responsible for all of this, asked 'for a word' and said, calmly, that I have found out and now know about the riding - explained how I found out too - and that I was incredibly upset for many reasons, not least being told by strangers and the fact it happened in the first place...She was rather red in the face and looked incredibly sheepish. I felt incredibly smug to make her squirm- have to say.
She didn't apologise at first and, like I predicted, she claimed it to be a 'harmless' little favour for these people, that no harm was done and it was just a quick up and down walk around the complex, but how am I to know this was the truth anyway.
This isn't the point of course, and I told her straight that my horse isn't to be touched by anyone except for me, I threatened the police by telling her that if I find out any further incidents have taken place, I will have absolutely no choice- her face changed when I said this and she told me that she will use her own horses in the future.
I compared it to taking her car without her knowledge and suddenly something changed in her face as if to express how thoughtless she was. NOTE: She did NOT apologise - but I had a strong feeling I wouldn't be getting an apology- she has NO grace and finds it impossible to criticize herself, a habitual flaw of hers.
I also said that if it was so 'harmless' she would have told me about it, which she didn't, as she knew how upset I would be. Also asked her why she didn't use her own horses - she stated they were turned out at the time and mine wasn't , which is a feeble excuse to say the least. Now I am going to see how the atmosphere is tomorrow and then let the YO know, (who I haven't seen today). xx
 
Thank you Arizahn, I will be, it may be that I have to visit her home if I don't see her tomorrow.
All in all no straight 'sorry' - but I knew that wouldn't be a possibility anyway, such is the person I am dealing with. However, an acknowledgement of some kind in the form of using her own horses 'next time'.
Will give an update on what YO says. xx
 
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