strangles in Suffolk

I have been told that 4 horses came from Ireland and instead of being isolated they were put straight on to the yard, one of these then showed signs of infection. Several horses on the yard have been unwell. A week ago at least two were, sort of, isolated with very heavy nasel discharge and were clearly very sick.
A lot of local people are extremely worried as the owners do not appear to have done anything to contain the outbreak. It is believed that horses from P.P. were competing at Ipswich Horse Society Show on Easter Monday.
I have been told that horses competing at the event last weekend were stabled on the yard. It is also my understanding that a new livery arrived at the weekend.
 
as someone who actually helps out at poplar every weekend and knows TRULY the situation, not listening to scare-mongering rumours, i can confirm that everything staverton just posted is untrue.
The 4 irish horses WERE isolated on a seperate yard with seperate turnout for a number of weeks, only one member of staff was allowed to handle them, and she had to change clothes after.
They got these horses quite a while ago now, so if they had strangles, symptoms would have shown way before now.
All of the new horses were completely healthy, so joined the main yard and fields, and have been there for a long time.
A few horses on the yard got cold-like symptoms, but this was dealt with and all have recovered.
ONE, just one, horse had different symotoms to any of the others, and was immediately seperated to a stable block far from the main yards, and even further from the competition venue.
The fact he has strangles for definate was only confirmed yesterday afternoon, and he is being treated for it. NO OTHER HORSES ON THE YARD ARE SHOWING ANY SYMPTOMS WHATSOEVER. AND NO HORSES FROM POPLAR COMPETED AT THE IPSWICH HORSE SOCIETY SHOW. AND, NO NEW LIVERY CAME AT THE WEEKEND, AS I WAS THERE EVERY DAY OF LAST WEEK. I hope now you actually know the truth of the situation you can stop blowing it out of preportion, as poplar are being responsible and taking every precaution to ensure no horse comes in any kind of contact with the ONE infected horse. thankyou.
 
hi poplar helper,
difficult to believe being responsible, taking precautions, would include running three horses in the one day event at the weekend, amongst 200 competitors. At the very least there was a virus already at the yard.
 
I understand where you are coming from, but even so, the 3 horses that competed were all completely healthy, obviously, they would never have competed if they were showing any signs of illness, one of the horses used had to be replaced anyway, do to the fact he was off his food, so its not as if they werent careful in which horses they used.
And anyway, as previously mentioned the horse with strangles is, and has been for a while now, in solitary confinement in a seperate area of poplar park, well away from any other horses, or people.
and, none of poplars horses were put in the fields until after the competition, not that any ill horses would be turned out anyway.
unless any of the horses that competed had somehow gotten onto the yard and been in direct contact with the infected horse, they have VERY minimal risk of contracting strangles.
And, the event took place before it was even definate the horse had strangles anyway.
But im sure that now it is proven, any events at poplar will be cancelled until further notice.
 
and also, how is it your place to tell me if i am factually incorrect when all you are doing is listening to 'chinese whispers' when i actually have first hand knowledge of the situation?
 
Hmmm well I dearly hope that it has not been passed to competitors at the competition. As I said before we had a horse from our yard go so if she went down with it, it would be awful for us. Most of us work with horses and therefore would be requested by our bosses to not care for our own horses until the infection period is over. It might sound sensationalist but at the end of the day there are consequences of all actions and that is potentially what could happen.
 
poplar_helper said:
ONE, just one, horse had different symotoms to any of the others, and was immediately seperated to a stable block far from the main yards, and even further from the competition venue.
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poplar_helper - it would appear this quote is now incorrect and it is horses (plural) confirmed with Strangles - see Poplar's Facebook post a few minutes ago. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Poplar-Park-Equestrian-Centre/187648094615023

I do hope too that the owners / staffs dogs that are usually roaming the yards and paddocks are kept away as they can transmit the infection.:mad:
 
so they had horses with symptoms and replaced one for another as it was "off its food". Even I know thats a symptom of Strangles. So I assume said "off its food" horse was on the main yard along with the horses who came and mixed with the competitors ?

Surely if the horses were awaiting results, they would already be in the 14 day incubation period. I cannot believe the venue did not think that horses off their feed, one already in isolation and a recent history of other cases was enough to cancel the event.

oh dear.... that really is greedy. And now other events are having to cancel and lose money themselves.

I hope Poplar is prepared to pay for the vets bills of any stricken horses that attended on Sunday.
 
I have read the facebook comments which actually confirm that poplar_helper does not know the facts!

It is stated that strangles was confirmed on Tuesday, however, had the vets been called earlier (days or weeks?) who knows when strangles could have been confirmed.

It is apparent that Poplar are carrying on business as usual but who knows which animals could be incubating the condition and therefore helping to spread it via visitors?

How did the strangles virus establish itself in the Poplar horses? poplar_helper is adament that it was not with the Irish horses so where did it come from?

poplar_helper also states that no horses went to Ipswich Horse Society Show. Liveries can take their horses where ever they like without the knowlege of P.P. or the weekend helper !!
 
re poplar helper,helping at weekends does leave five days without your eyewitness accounts:confused:
poplar park were well aware of the possibilities of strangles on the friday before the one day event,and had already informed liveries that tests THEY had done were clear,yet there appears to be no evidence of any tests being done. The test was finally done by a concerned livery not pp.Blown out of proportion NOT
 
I have no idea what is true and what is not................I rang them at 12.15 yesterday and they told me it was confirmed and mrussell rang them at 12.25 and was told it was still to be confirmed ! ! !


Not really helping themselves ! They should of given people the choice ! I wouldnt of gone !



Jane
 
From reading posts and from what is being said locally it appears that the owners of P.P. have tried to conceal this strangles outbreak. I would expect the owners of a large well established Centre to call a vet as soon as any health problem arises not to wait and see if it goes away.
It now appears that strangles was confirmed in one of the liveries whilst the centre were saying there was no problem - prior to the weekend event!!!!!!
The vets are in a difficult position because of confidentiality to to their clients and strangles is not a notifiable disease. If they are not consulted by the owners they cannot become involved.
 
This is what is happening at Poplar Park.... There is 1 confirmed case of strangles so this horse in isolation, this was confirmed Wednesday lunchtime, 3 horses are also in isolation pending results. So 4 in total in isolation. NO horses have been put down. There has been horses moved to other yards around the areas by the owners, so this might spread the strangles!! As the carrier can show no signs but still spread it!!! You must look out for coughs, if the horse is off colour, not eating well. It is also air born. If other yards have it they should inform people not just keep quiet as this is un-fair to others but people also not treat them like they have the plague. Just be sensible and scrub down.
 
ex-racers... I'm sure youve joined the forum to set the picture straight but your version of events doesnt match what P/P THEMSELVES told me. So is it you thats not telling the truth ..or THEM ?

The more people who join simply to set the record straight, the more this looks like a total cover-up.


If you really want to help, ask P/P to make an official statement about
1)when the first horse started displaying symptoms
2)when the first horse was diagnosed
3)what was done to quarantine the yard - not just that horse - as by the time it was diagnosed, it would already have been in contact with the other liveries
4)whether any horse from the yard was at the ODE on Sunday
5)why they didnt cancel the event when they knew they had horses with symptoms
6)what they are prepared to do to compensate anyone who was at the event on Sunday who subsequently develops Strangles and
7)why they have given some many different versions of events to those who have approached them.
 
Ok PP Helper... are you saying that you are closed for business until it is contained? Therefore, no lessons etc?? And the 4 new Irish horses you say did not show signs, but you know they could be carriers without showing any sign of strangles. And did they come from sales in Ireland?
 
I saw the post for this on Facebook this morning on the Smith Ryder Davis page/news that some of my friends had shared. We had a couple of horses from our yard attend Poplar for the Pony Club ODE the other week but I know they said the infected horse didn’t compete but did any of the suspected horses compete and come in close proximity to horses from external yards competing at the event?

I had to add more fuel to the fire and extra drama but as we all know this is very serious? We are only up the road from Poplar and its scary how it comes about, where I am we have no what you would call isolation stables that I know of so if we had an outbreak god knows what we would do plus with 40 horses on the yard it would be horrendous!

Just hope they caught it in time and can do something about it for the poor horses which have contracted it. If they did suspect prior to the event it was very naughty of them to continue whether the horse was near those competing or not! But who are we to judge without knowing the full ins and outs.

I wish all the best for poplar and hope this can be cleaned up!
 
of course poplar are keeping their staff dogs away from the infected, or possibly infected horses, i can assure you that they are very much seperate from the rest of the yard, and no one except a select few have access to them, certainly not other horses or animals.
the horse that was "off its food" was only off his food the morning of the competition, but was ate his evening feed fine, he did not compete just as a precaution. Apart from that he is showing no signs of ill health whatsoever, so that was just a coincidence, and is in no way linked to the case of, and suspected cases, of strangles.
And there is no way poplar will have to pay for vet bills, as strangles is passed on by direct contact with a infected horse, or the mucus from an abcess, and it is physically impossible that a horse that took part in the event could have contacted the ill horse.
I too have read the facebook comments on poplars page, what seems to be the problem with them?
and i know for definate that NONE OF POPLARS HORSES competed in the ipswich horse society event, as none of the liveries would have a mode of transport, if an owner wants to go to an event, poplar would take them there.
as weekends are the busiest time for poplar, "my eye witness accounts" see far more than they would on a weekday, and as previously mentioned, i was there ALL of last week, and saw nothing underhanded whatsoever.
and there is not "more like 7 infected" have you been to poplar and seen all these invisible infected horses??
find out the facts for your self before repeating a esculated rumour.
and as of lessons being cancelled, i honestly do not know, but i know for sure no horses are allowed to leave/come to poplar until further notice.
i can tell you that the irish horses have been at poplar for months, so if they were going to infect anything, they would have long before now.
None of the suspected infected horses competed, the 3 that did were all in absolute health.
as some of you may know, poplar is split into 3 seperate yards; one main yard, and 2 smaller yards as well as 1 barn for the school horses. the isolation yard is far from any of these.
treatment is well under way.
 
poplar_helper - you need to stop posting. The only correct thing you have said is that none of Poplar's livery horses competed at the Ipswich Horse Society event. A former livery did but that was off the yard well before the strangles outbreak.

You do not know for sure about horses coming and going from Poplar unless you are here 24/7 and as a helper you are not.

Oh - and it was 5 horses that competed from Poplar, not 3, a look at the ODE results will tell you that. The horse that was 'off it's food' and not competed is also now on the isolation yard is it not?

The only people that know the facts 100% are Poplar Park management themselves and the livery owner that called the vet.
 
whateveryousay said:
poplar_helper - you need to stop posting. The only correct thing you have said is that none of Poplar's livery horses competed at the Ipswich Horse Society event. A former livery did but that was off the yard well before the strangles outbreak.

You do not know for sure about horses coming and going from Poplar unless you are here 24/7 and as a helper you are not.

Oh - and it was 5 horses that competed from Poplar, not 3, a look at the ODE results will tell you that. The horse that was 'off it's food' and not competed is also now on the isolation yard is it not?

The only people that know the facts 100% are Poplar Park management themselves and the livery owner that called the vet.
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I take it you are at poplar then.

I heard it was 7 directly from someone at poplar park, so have my facts straight thanks for asking pp-helper
 
poplar helper
stop digging!
it seems the lead up to this strangles outbreak was well mismanaged, and a rather devious cover up.Not much use to the local horse community crowing about what poplar park is doing now after they have been rumbled.
 
There are a lot of people who are 'at poplar' :)

The simple truth is this - there are sick horses that need to get better which should be the main concern. People are now aware of the situation and can be vigilant/take necessary measures.

Yes, there are questions as to what has happened recently and how all this came about but each person will make up their own mind on this.

Let's not forget some of these horses are peoples pride and joy, so as stacey_lou said, let's hope something can be done for these horses and it can be contained.
 
PP Helper. the Irish horses arrived Monday 6th February, I make that 10 weeks not 3 months as you advised. Horses started to cough on the yard 5 weeks later! And more have been going down hill since. 2 ponies have absecess correct on not??? These do not come over night, also, the horse belonging to the livery that was tested. So this was known LONG before Sunday's event which you let go ahead! Even though it was not confirmed but a huge possibility.

Dont you think it would have been correct practice to cancel?
 
Whateveryousay:--- People are now worried about their own horses, will they or wont they become ill!! Its a waiting game through certain people not being honest.
 
we all hope that the situation can be rectified,but the point is that we are all locally at risk of catching strangles from what appears to be a cover up and incompetence.Nice one poplar park. as a weekend helper you do seem to have a lot of information at hand :confused:
 
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