Strawberry roan - Really?

my grey was a bay/dun colour when growing up. The vet nevertheless put grey in his passport because he knew the horse would grey out.
Just common sense really.
 
My boy is passported blue roan - he is quite clearly black...

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But this is the baby the vet passported...

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My old horse was passported as piebald. He was very dark bay, almost black with one white foot, and a blaze! His markings were all correct on his passport, just called a piebald. And when I registered him with the British Horse Database, they would not let me change his details to say, dark bay, they insisted his identification document was correct and could not be altered. So he stayed listed as a piebald until he died.
 
The foal coat is generally silverish on a black horse. This is also the case with bay horses - their legs often look silvery when they are born (ignoring white leg markings). If you are passporting horses as part of your job, you really should know that.

LC - yes black horses can have white markings. All horses are either black based or chestnut based, other colours are caused by other genes altering the base colour.
 
You see one of mine is registered as a bay. Her colour has changed over the years, I would have said she was bay roan as a youngster, I think she is still down as this with EGB, but now I'm not sure. She sort of appears to have greyed out, which as her sire is grey is not a surprise!! She still has a black mane, and seems to be dark grey/almost blue and covered in brown spots!!
 
My 5yo mare is passported as Bay. she is an appaloosa cross, and has the varnish gene. Therefore she certainly doesnt look bay anymore! should I have her passport changed? I have asked this here in he past and been told no?
 
Well having her passported as Bay Varnish would be accurate, so if she was mine I'd want it changed to that. Try ringing the PIO and have a chat with them about altering it. :)
 
Hard to tell from a photo really, and they do change coat colour a lot.

My horse was a lovely liver chestnut when he was young, and now he is orange.
 
The trouble is even if the PIO's got it right the people who look at them (at competitions, transporters etc) would need proper training to. My big horse's FEI passport says he's chestnut - he's grey - totally white with a handful of chestnut flea bites.
I guess they'd have had to write "chestnut currently but carrying grey genes so will grey out over time" then when he was sold as a chestnut youngster it would have matched for the uneducated and then today would still match. Probably there isn;t that much space on the form tho!!
 
Polos Mum said:
The trouble is even if the PIO's got it right the people who look at them (at competitions, transporters etc) would need proper training to. My big horse's FEI passport says he's chestnut - he's grey - totally white with a handful of chestnut flea bites.
I guess they'd have had to write "chestnut currently but carrying grey genes so will grey out over time" then when he was sold as a chestnut youngster it would have matched for the uneducated and then today would still match. Probably there isn;t that much space on the form tho!!
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Just Chestnut/Grey.
 
RunToEarth said:
For me this is just another reason why there should be more solid testing done to verify a horse's colour before it is printed forever more on their passport.
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Have to see if I can find it again but saw one recently of a blue roan that was clearly just solid black and another one that stumped me completely saying 'will go dun'. I felt like replying to the add just to say I am pretty sure your bay horse is not going to change colour any time soon and especially not to dun. Weird.
 
Capriole said:
Just Chestnut/Grey.
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But what use is that to the inexperienced/ non horsey person - even a VOSA person checking you're carrying the right passport might need some kind of help. You might as well leave colour out of the description altogether if you're going to write "he might be brown or he might be white - not sure/ it depends"
 
It's so annoying. Petplan do not have a 'buckskin' option for the colour of horse. So my smoky brown (or brown buckskin) is down as chocolate dun, even though she does not have the dun gene. I tried to get it changed over the telephone, but they just didn't understand me.
 
Polos Mum said:
But what use is that to the inexperienced/ non horsey person - even a VOSA person checking you're carrying the right passport might need some kind of help. You might as well leave colour out of the description altogether if you're going to write "he might be brown or he might be white - not sure/ it depends"
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Chestnut/Grey doesnt mean he might be brown or he might be white though. It means chestnut and will go grey. Pretty clear.
 
ClobellsandBaubles said:
http://www.preloved.co.uk/adverts/s...f-youngsters-for-sale-all-priced-to-sell.html

lovely looking bay foal with a buckskin dam yes dad could be a dun in which case the foal is bay dun already I doubt very much he is going to change though. Bit confused to as dams parentage as well as neither clydies nor shires have cream or dun gene
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No way will that foal go dun!!! :rolleyes3:

Checked the sire and he's bay. Really, what are people like? Bay turning dun? I've heard it all now.
 
Just jumping on the band wagon here, i have a skewbald that has a fair bit of roaning. Does that make her any different than skwebald. She also does have a few black marks too.
 
My thoughts exactly Wagtail as well as funny looking shire x clydie.

*hijack alert* been pondering white modifiers and white suppression genes recently wonder if I can pick someones brain.
 
ClobellsandBaubles said:
My thoughts exactly Wagtail as well as funny looking shire x clydie.

*hijack alert* been pondering white modifiers and white suppression genes recently wonder if I can pick someones brain.
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Faracat's your girl for that. I am very interested too. I personally think that 'no white/minimal white is dominant. But could be wrong. It's just what I've observed in real life breeding.
 
Faracat, I do have some pics, but am really rubbish about posting them, ie completely useless!! She also changes with the seasons!!
My strawberry roan pony did look like greying out for a few years, and then changed back which was most bizarre!
 
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