Strongid p

[sanchob]

I have a young horse that had a pretty high tapeworm count, Westgate labs said it should be 0.09 and under his was 4.53. I double dosed him with strongid P 2 weeks ago, the vet thinks he still looks really wormy. Just wondered if people have wormed strongid p for high tape counts and not had results with it? I will worm him again with Equest pramox in a few weeks, vet recommended.

 

[Pearlsacarolsinger]

I'm not sure how the vet can tell by looking. If that were the case we wouldn't need tests. I would do another test before using Pramox tbh.

 

[criso]

The tapeworm test is testing antibodies in the saliva to tapeworm not how many tapeworms are present and it can take a while for these to go down, thinks months not weeks.

Found this which refers to the blood test but suggests at least 16 weeks for antibodies to return to normal

https://www.liverpool.ac.uk/diagnosteq/diagnostic-tests/tapeworm-antibody-test/

ETA I have one that comes back with positive tapeworm tests regularly and monitoring over a period of time, Strongid P/Pyranten seems to work better for him than Praziquantel/Pramox.

Just found something else that suggests that antibodies in saliva return to normal more quickly but still 50% hadn't after 6 weeks so I still wouldn't assume your worming hadn't worked yet

https://veterinary-practice.com/article/detection-of-tapeworm-specific-antibodies-in-horse-saliva

 

[ILuvCowparsely]

My mares has just come back today with this.

Commercial worm egg count Tapeworm eggs identified in the sample 150 e.p.g. Strongyle eggs (Low count for redworm).
I always phone Hadrian Equine to check which wormer I should use. Never had this before, but Hadrian Equine said most like it came in on the haylage.

 

[PinkvSantaboots]

I definitely wouldn't use equest pramox on something with heavy burden it's to strong hence why I never use it ever anyway.

 

[onemoretime]

I definitely wouldn't use equest pramox on something with heavy burden it's to strong hence why I never use it ever anyway.

Agree with this. A lot of people have had their horses colic when wormed with Pramox. I would wait a while as you have already double dosed him with Strongid P.

 

[windand rain]

Won't use pramox ever. Vile dangerous stuff. I use equimax twice a year will use equest gel at Christmas time

 

[PinkvSantaboots]

Won't use pramox ever. Vile dangerous stuff. I use equimax twice a year will use equest gel at Christmas time

My friend nearly lost her horse after worming with it

 

[fidleyspromise]

My horse had a similar burden to yours in Jan and she was treated with Strongid P double dose and tested again 2 months later. It went down but still there so wormed with same again. 2 months later down again but still there so wormed with praziquantel - tested 2 months later and it had increased. Leaving it until Jan and then worming with Equest Pramox and will do another test.

 

[windand rain]

My friend nearly lost her horse after worming with it

Been few nearly died and a few that have so will always split the dose red worm and tape worm months apart

 

[vhf]

Been few nearly died and a few that have so will always split the dose red worm and tape worm months apart

I'm one who lost one. In my case, she reacted to the breakdown product of the cysts of a rare(ish) tapeworm, I forget the name now.
To be fair, I'm not sure if there would have been anything that killed tapes that wouldn't have killed her in the circumstances. Came to me as "always regularly wormed" and looking magnificent (if a bit porky) - I was only worming as she was new and rest on yard were being done with pramox that week. (I now never worm anything new for 48 hours, and never with pramox)

 

[MissTyc]

vhf I am so sorry you went through that. What a horrible experience.


Regarding Stongid P; I seem to remember some published research a few years ago that indicated Pyrantel does better at a triple dose than double dose as it's losing efficiency (which is particularly annoying considering the withdrawm of praziquantel in its lone form from the market). I don't have time to dig it up now it was reputable work by a veterinary university; since then I have triple dosed and our tapeworm counts have been low for 99% of the herd for over two years now. I think quite a few tapeworm were escaping the cull on the double dose. I try to reserve praziquantel products for special occasions, and like many here avoid the moxidectin+prazi combo although occasionally owners accidentally use that one instead of straightforward Equest at winter worming (even with a low tapeworm results ... because they're not always very intelligent people!).

 

[Ownedby4horses]

I would never worm with pramox, despite your vets recommendation.

 

[onemoretime]

I'm one who lost one. In my case, she reacted to the breakdown product of the cysts of a rare(ish) tapeworm, I forget the name now.
To be fair, I'm not sure if there would have been anything that killed tapes that wouldn't have killed her in the circumstances. Came to me as "always regularly wormed" and looking magnificent (if a bit porky) - I was only worming as she was new and rest on yard were being done with pramox that week. (I now never worm anything new for 48 hours, and never with pramox)

So very sorry that you lost your horse, what a very nasty experience. I wont use Pramox, I have in the past but having read some horrible stories I stopped using it. I always do the saliva test and fortunately both mine are very low, but my mare came to me with a heavy red worm burden of 1300 which frightened the life out of me, never had one that bad before. I wormed her with the green Equest and fortunately she was alright but I have to do regular worm counts on her as she often has a low count whereas my old companion pony who has been with me for 29 years is always the lowest possible.

 

[Trouper]

In the past, have been advised to use Protexin to help restore healthy gut at worming time which might help him to pick up more quickly. And another one here who would not use Pramox.

 

[soloequestrian]

You absolutely can't tell worm burden by just looking. I've run a couple of trials where body condition score and worm burden were compared and often the healthiest looking horses had the largest worm burdens (there were also healthy looking horses with low burdens!).

 

[JackFrost]

Newish horse (so no knowledge of worming history) started looking tatty and rolling too much. Wormed with strongid P for tape and next day loads of nasty tapes were in droppings. Horse immediately got better in all respects. So it clearly worked. Also (BTW and IME), it seems to be one of the few wormers a very fussy horse will accept in feed, if syringing is a problem.
Very interested to hear all the comments re Pramox - thanks for the warnings.

 

[Boots*McGruber]

vhf I am so sorry you went through that. What a horrible experience.


I seem to remember some published research a few years ago that indicated Pyrantel does better at a triple dose than double dose as it's losing efficiency.

Looking at doing a triple dose for my boy. Have there been any issues with colic following double/ triple doses of Strongid-P? Thanks : )