Stud help! (long sorry)

[Blazingkate]

Right, basically, me and the owner of my loaned horse have been toying with the idea of getting studs put in my horses shoes cause he is always slipping over or loosing his back legs. Part of the reason for this I feel is because he ries really long because he's never been schooled, so probably forgets he's actually got to bring his back legs with him!

Anyway, on sunday we had a really bad fall, the ground was a bit greasy after the rain saturday night, and as we turned a corner we must have hit a really greasy bit cause his both his back legs just slid from underneath him in one go, and we both fell which has resorted in my having hurt my neck and back and him going lame. So, we've decided he is definately having studs in now, at least until I've finished re-schooling him.

Here's where the questions start. Firstly, what kind of studs do you think would be best. For work on grass that is (forgot to mention that above). Secondly, we're currently only going to put studs in the back, but would it be better to put them in all 4 for balance? Thirdly, how many studs in each shoe do you think would benefit him? And lastly, how much extra do you think my farrier will charge? He charges £50 for a new set of shoes so that should give you an idea of how much he charges.

Thanks and hope someone can help!!

 

[flyingfeet]

Farrier should only charge a nominal fee for drilling the holes

I would recommend getting a stud kit - that way you have the choice of studs nad they generally have metal 'blinds' in them for keeping the holes clean (better than cotton wool or rubber bungs)

Then choice of stud depends on the ground - if very soft bigger studs, or smaller ones if it is hard but slippy.

If you are just doing light work one hole in the outside of the rear shoes will do. Although I prefer having them all round so that you have the option - however I SJ on grass, so I still expect horses to make stupid angles when slippy.

 

[Rambo]

Use as small as you can get away with. If the horse is only slipping out behind, then i'd only use studs behind. One stud per shoe should be fine. Farrier usually charges about £1 per hole I think

 

[emelia]

My farrier point blank refuses to put studs on the inside of the shoes in case the horse stands on/catches himself with them. I have also heard that having inside front studs means the hoof can't naturally twist which can lead to concussion or straining? However, my chiropractor told me i should always have inside studs on the front precisiely to stop the twisting!!!! Therefore we only have outside studs on all 4 shoes but generally just use the back ones on the odd occassion we SJ on grass?? Anyone else have opinions about inside studs???

 

[kick_On]

Before you go down stud route, you say he's nevered been schooled much. I'm takin that he need more schooling?????.
IMO i would do more school'in/lunge'in/lessons before going down the route of stud cos if you say he's unbalanced can't you wait until you have more mucle development as this will improve carriage greatly
All horses will relie on studs and then the time you don't use them you're bu88ered.
I'm sorry about you fall but i would only go down stud route if you provde that it not due to lack of schoolin and muscle development.
I only ever use studs if competiting ie BE level.
What about getting farrier to put in rail nails, and the money you save from not having stud holes and equipment spend it on have some more training, as IMO studs are a big fag and i would hold off using them as much as possible.
I'm sorry about your fall but i personnely I would invest in training and i bet you you'll see more improvement that way that buying studs, sorry probably not the answer you wanted

 

[flyingfeet]

BUT it is very greasy at the moment (we had a ton of rain on saturday!), as it's taking a while to properly soak in and making the top greasy whislt still being hard a inch or so down.

Even the best schooled horse can slip over.

On our non-competition horses we have a tiny road studs nailed in (not the nail with a tungsten tip, as they fall off).

 

[kick_On]

i agree if you compete defo
BUT
not if your schooling an unfit /under muscled horse?????
i'm not hav'in a personnel pop.................
but people really do be bogged down with all the 'bells and whistles', instead concertrating on the bigger picture which takes time, instant fix culture stuff

 

[Rambo]

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My farrier point blank refuses to put studs on the inside of the shoes in case the horse stands on/catches himself with them. I have also heard that having inside front studs means the hoof can't naturally twist which can lead to concussion or straining? However, my chiropractor told me i should always have inside studs on the front precisiely to stop the twisting!!!! Therefore we only have outside studs on all 4 shoes but generally just use the back ones on the odd occassion we SJ on grass?? Anyone else have opinions about inside studs???

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My farrier does as I ask, but has suggested to me that a single stud in the outside of the shoe is preferential to allow the natural 'twist' of the horses hoof as it meets the ground. In fact, eons ago when I was growing up, we only ever used to have a single hole. There was an article in H&H a couple of weeks ago though which asked a number of leading riders what studs they used, and they ALL said at least 2 per shoe. It's a very immotive subject, and I don't know what the correct answer is, but from my own experiences this year, I would say use the smallest you can get away with

 

[flyingfeet]

I agree - however definitely a lot easier to school in an arena where much less likely to slip over.

I am lucky enough to have one, so only ever put in studs for competing on grass as otherwise have no cause to be making sharp turns in the field.

Actually I think I have gone to the other extreme my horses well schooled and great at shows, but don't like hacking out!

Where in Glos are you btw?

 

[kick_On]

This year everyone seems to want to put studs in????? why?????? i'm sure it's the latest fad, then 'the next must have item' will come along...........
ooooo i'm starting, sorry
wad'in in the mudflats below the old city of gloucester!! down on the banks of severn

 

[emelia]

My farrier does as I ask, but has suggested to me that a single stud in the outside of the shoe is preferential to allow the natural 'twist' of the horses hoof as it meets the ground. In fact, eons ago when I was growing up, we only ever used to have a single hole. There was an article in H&H a couple of weeks ago though which asked a number of leading riders what studs they used, and they ALL said at least 2 per shoe. It's a very immotive subject, and I don't know what the correct answer is, but from my own experiences this year, I would say use the smallest you can get away with <img src="http://horseandhound.co.uk/forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

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Thanks Rambo - that is really interesting that they all use 2! might talk to farrier again! he normally very responsive to suggestions but on this he wouldn't budge. I do def agree with you that smallest studs the better and only when totally necessary. I have only had to use them once this year whilst SJ at wales and west, the rest of the time the ground has been too hard even for studs and I have avoided jumping on it altogether!!!

 

[vic07]

i follow my farrier's advice regarding studs, one in each shoe to limit concussion on the foot. I also use them as little as possible - often event with none.

Our farrier charges £1 per stud hole.

 

[KatB]

We've always used two in the back and one in the front, and always use smaller studs to the inside on the back to stop them standing on themselves, but to add grip. For smaller sj/dressage, we just use one in the outside on all four, and i'll only use rounded(ish) studs on the inside hind.

 

[Blazingkate]

Thanks for all the replies. I realised I didn't make it clear that I won't be using them all the time, just when jumping on grass. I also wasn't planning on using them instead of schooling, just during the process to lessen the risk of another fall. Don't look like I'm going to need them anyway for a while cause it looks like he's knocked him pelvis out. Thanks for all the replies anyway.

 

[goeslikestink]

i have always used 2 studs per foot, if the ground is slippery then you wont twist the fet lock joint--
gives and even balance --- and i was told that yonks ago
grass can be slippery when wet -

 

[goeslikestink]

whoops you want the small tunstalls studs for jumping they are round and have not got a point at the top of the stud they are flattened off gives you more grip

 

[Rambo]

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whoops you want the small tunstalls studs for jumping they are round and have not got a point at the top of the stud they are flattened off gives you more grip

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Ermmmm....surely the choice of stud depends on the ground conditions at the time