Studbook Z severs ties with British Agent
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eventrider23
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Yeah - see post further down saying at last the news is out!
StaceyTanglewood
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Yeah - see post further down saying at last the news is out!
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well i did look to see if there was anything and couldnt find it x
Yeah - see post further down saying at last the news is out!
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well i did look to see if there was anything and couldnt find it x
Aredis
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What are Z doing in the UK ?
They cant even manage what should be simple mare and foal registrations.
Unitil Z get their act together I certainly wont be using a Z stallion.
Its not an agent problem but inspection and admin that needs sorting out.
They cant even manage what should be simple mare and foal registrations.
Unitil Z get their act together I certainly wont be using a Z stallion.
Its not an agent problem but inspection and admin that needs sorting out.
eventrider23
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That stuff may well be down to the studbook BUT I imagine a lot of the issues are being caused by the disputes over the fact that the agent has not paid for a number of the coverings.
Law
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Yeah - see post further down saying at last the news is out!
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well i did look to see if there was anything and couldnt find it x
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http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/sh...e=0&fpart=1
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well i did look to see if there was anything and couldnt find it x
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http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/sh...e=0&fpart=1
The Voice
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I agree I would not use them rather then get a quality foal on the ground and then wait a few months for an inspection from someone with over 30 years experience and paperwork.
And people still ask why the UK is so far behind the rest of Europe with the quality of horses we breed.
And people still ask why the UK is so far behind the rest of Europe with the quality of horses we breed.
shirleyno2
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What are Z doing in the UK ?
They cant even manage what should be simple mare and foal registrations.
Unitil Z get their act together I certainly wont be using a Z stallion.
Its not an agent problem but inspection and admin that needs sorting out.
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Re above, You can order semen direct from Zangersheide, no numpty agent is needed. I've never previously had any problems with Z.
I think you'll find the agent that used to deal with UK orders, caused a lot af heartache and angst and is quite definetely now sacked!
If in doubt you could always use a British based stallion
What are Z doing in the UK ?
They cant even manage what should be simple mare and foal registrations.
Unitil Z get their act together I certainly wont be using a Z stallion.
Its not an agent problem but inspection and admin that needs sorting out.
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Re above, You can order semen direct from Zangersheide, no numpty agent is needed. I've never previously had any problems with Z.
I think you'll find the agent that used to deal with UK orders, caused a lot af heartache and angst and is quite definetely now sacked!
If in doubt you could always use a British based stallion
LynneB
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Well, we will know for sure this year what the true situation is because people will be dealing with Z direct.
I suspect, as others have said, that the main issue came from using a certain agent that muddied the waters and didn't pay for the semen used and then blamed Z for the lack of paperwork when mare owners started asking where their certificates were.
I suspect, as others have said, that the main issue came from using a certain agent that muddied the waters and didn't pay for the semen used and then blamed Z for the lack of paperwork when mare owners started asking where their certificates were.
pinkcatkin
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I agree I would not use them rather then get a quality foal on the ground and then wait a few months for an inspection from someone with over 30 years experience and paperwork.
And people still ask why the UK is so far behind the rest of Europe with the quality of horses we breed.
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Sorry, I do not understand what you mean, can you clarify?
I agree I would not use them rather then get a quality foal on the ground and then wait a few months for an inspection from someone with over 30 years experience and paperwork.
And people still ask why the UK is so far behind the rest of Europe with the quality of horses we breed.
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Sorry, I do not understand what you mean, can you clarify?
Aredis
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If in doubt you could always use a British based stallion
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I am only using British bred and registered stallions this year. Already booked, how about yourself ?
The Z problem is not a semen or agent problem.
LynneB
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no the mare owners problem was a semen agent.
Yes SSJez what are YOU doing this year?
Yes SSJez what are YOU doing this year?
Amelia
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We have not encountered any problems in the past when we have booked semen direct with Z.
no_no_nanette
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Aredis, I'm not quite sure how you can be so definite on this given the replies above, and also my own and several others experience, which is first hand, I can assure you that the problem WAS an agent problem - since dealing direct with Zangersheide I have also had there explanation of what has been happening. I know that they have had some problems with their office admin, but they have been very keen to redress any problems that we have had.
(And we also may well be using a British or Irish stallion for at least one of our mares this year!)
(And we also may well be using a British or Irish stallion for at least one of our mares this year!)
The Voice
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I was being sarcastic.
I have used Z a number of times over the years and yes they have been slow with inspections and paperwork, however the more UK breeders use them, the better they have been. Clear communication is the key.
I would have a good foal from a top stallion from one of the largest studs in the world with late paperwork any day of the week over using a stallion which may not be as compatable where you get paperwork the next day. The foal Inspector Hugo Cooreman has been doing it for over 30 years and if you want an opinion he is the man to do it so is worth waiting for.
I have used Z a number of times over the years and yes they have been slow with inspections and paperwork, however the more UK breeders use them, the better they have been. Clear communication is the key.
I would have a good foal from a top stallion from one of the largest studs in the world with late paperwork any day of the week over using a stallion which may not be as compatable where you get paperwork the next day. The foal Inspector Hugo Cooreman has been doing it for over 30 years and if you want an opinion he is the man to do it so is worth waiting for.
Aredis
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Rufusbluemoon.
My comments above refer to the problems experienced with registration of brood mares and is nothing to do with semen.
My comments above refer to the problems experienced with registration of brood mares and is nothing to do with semen.
no_no_nanette
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The Z problem is not a semen or agent problem.
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Its not an agent problem but inspection and admin that needs sorting out.
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Rufusbluemoon.
My comments above refer to the problems experienced with registration of brood mares and is nothing to do with semen
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Well that's an interesting interpretation of what you have written. I would think that most people would assume that you meant exactly what you said - "The Z problem is not a semen or agent problem", seems to me a perfectly straightforward denial. In our and other's cases the Z problem was very much that! We haven't got to the registration and inspection yet, so judgement withheld .... I agree that admin might have needed sorting out - and they seem to be working hard to do that - but disagree that, according to your own quotes above - "its not an agent problem" (or hasn't been in the past)
The Z problem is not a semen or agent problem.
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Its not an agent problem but inspection and admin that needs sorting out.
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Rufusbluemoon.
My comments above refer to the problems experienced with registration of brood mares and is nothing to do with semen
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Well that's an interesting interpretation of what you have written. I would think that most people would assume that you meant exactly what you said - "The Z problem is not a semen or agent problem", seems to me a perfectly straightforward denial. In our and other's cases the Z problem was very much that! We haven't got to the registration and inspection yet, so judgement withheld .... I agree that admin might have needed sorting out - and they seem to be working hard to do that - but disagree that, according to your own quotes above - "its not an agent problem" (or hasn't been in the past)
shirleyno2
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I am only using British bred and registered stallions this year. Already booked, how about yourself ?
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Ooh, which ones are you using? I'm not decided yet.
I am only using British bred and registered stallions this year. Already booked, how about yourself ?
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Ooh, which ones are you using? I'm not decided yet.
little_breeder
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those of us who have been breeding for a number of years know melchior is famous for not paying people, his reputation is spread far and wide. when i read that article, i laughed out loud as this guy was just the next in line, and i'm sure there are others out there not getting paid this week, it's just what melchior does.
it'll be interesting to see how it pans out, i think some are in for a shock, melchior wouldn't do anything without getting paid (which makes me think he has been paid).
it'll be interesting to see how it pans out, i think some are in for a shock, melchior wouldn't do anything without getting paid (which makes me think he has been paid).
pinktiger
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melchior
it'll be interesting to see how it pans out, i think some are in for a shock, melchior wouldn't do anything without getting paid (which makes me think he has been paid).
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it'll be interesting to see how it pans out, i think some are in for a shock, melchior wouldn't do anything without getting paid (which makes me think he has been paid).
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magic104
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Jesus 2 posts in & already spotted, will he never learn!!
LynneB
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laughable really - after all the hints and tips he has picked up about "acting" like he is someone else too...he simply cannot do it as he is so ... well, him...
toffeesmarty
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melchior wouldn't do anything without getting paid (which makes me think he has been paid).
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Rubs head. What on earth do you mean? Paid by whom for what?
melchior wouldn't do anything without getting paid (which makes me think he has been paid).
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Rubs head. What on earth do you mean? Paid by whom for what?
toffeesmarty
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when i read that article, i laughed out loud
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Are you sure you weren't crying? If my business had received the poor coverage in the press and on forums across the World that yours has done, laughing would be the last thing on my mind.
Apologising, putting things right and accepting where mistakes had been made would be my first steps; not laughing.
when i read that article, i laughed out loud
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Are you sure you weren't crying? If my business had received the poor coverage in the press and on forums across the World that yours has done, laughing would be the last thing on my mind.
Apologising, putting things right and accepting where mistakes had been made would be my first steps; not laughing.
magic104
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melchior wouldn't do anything without getting paid (which makes me think he has been paid).
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Rubs head. What on earth do you mean? Paid by whom for what?
I think he means that melchior has been paid by the agent which is why he is willing to help out the mare owners. I could be wrong but reading the other threads that is my conclusion.
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Rubs head. What on earth do you mean? Paid by whom for what?
I think he means that melchior has been paid by the agent which is why he is willing to help out the mare owners. I could be wrong but reading the other threads that is my conclusion.
no_no_nanette
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Not the information that I received when I spoke to Zangersheide about providing a covering certificate, magic - they are asking for proof of payment from mare owners to the semen agent, and they will then provide the appropriate certificate, in spite of the fact that they say there is still money owed to them. I guess that it is better publicity for them, and UK mare owners are more likely to use them in the future if they are known to have honoured the commitment made to breeders - not all studs have done this, as we have seen with some people who have got caught up in the WCS issues!