stupid bliming bits!!! :(

martlin said:
BSJAShowjumper123, what does she do when you say you have no control? I presume that she sets off at a pace with you and you can't shorten? But does she stick her head in the air? Or does she stick her head down and bear on your hands?
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like tries and fights for her head and will stick it up really high and run but she already has a running martingale one
 
Starzaan said:
You need to take the advice given previously and stop jumping until you have complete control. If you put a chocolate cake in front of someone who has been on a diet for half an hour, they're going to crack, if you wait a few months they'll have stopped craving chocolate cake, and it won't seem so exciting any more.

I have some fantastic exercises to help with balance and control in horses who rush fences, so feel free to PM me if you'd like to try them.

Maybe try reading the answers to some of your previous posts too - I'm sure I remember 99% of people telling you to stop jumping until you had control, and lots of people suggesting fantastic exercises for you to try.
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I would second this. Maybe try working on a lot of groundwork to get it really good and she is going and coming back to you really well before jumping her.
 
BSJAShowjumper123 said:
like tries and fights for her head and will stick it up really high and run but she already has a running martingale one
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What bit is she currently ridden in?
I think it may be hurting her. A horse comfortable in her mouth should not lift her head above point of control. This is probably something she has learnt to do as a response to being pulled in the mouth. The more you pull both reins, the more she pulls back. Best way to avoid her stickng her head up is not to pull on her mouth.
 
BSJAShowjumper123 said:
umm she was last jumped in a tom thumb but shes done it to all the bits iv jumped her in? :/
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If your interested in learning the one rein stop, feel free to pm me. You really want to be able to ride her without having to pull on the reins. The ORS enables you to remain in control of her without pulling her mouth.
A lot of horses do learn to pull with there head up because of the pressure from the bit. If you pull the reins, she tries to evade the pain this causes by lifting her head. This will put the pressure onto a different part of her mouth where it might not hurt so much. But when you put a martingale on her, she cant do this so the bit will stay on the more sensitive tongue and bars.
 
Yep, Neue Schule are good as they are well shaped and made from Salox, which is a wormer and tastier metal than stainless steel, they are especially good for fussy mouths.
It's really not as simple as snaffle - gag - pelham; there are dozens of different mouthpieces you could try in snaffle alone!
 
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BSJAShowjumper123 said:
meh :/ thats quite alot
some one suggest a hackamore but isnt that just guna be mega dangerous?
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Dont use a hackmore i wouldnt think your hands would be good enough they can be worse than a bit sometimes imo.

If you want to try something bitless this is probably best
http://www.bitlessbridle.co.uk/

You can send it back in good condition if it doesnt work well

but like i said before nothing is a quick fix
 
i wont give up with my suggestion. find a better instructor that will take the time to build you both up from the start again. one that will listen when you say you want to go back to basics as im assuming you spoke about this with your current instructor when you said you took our advise last time? no offence intended :)
 
BSJAShowjumper123 said:
i have taken your advice but i cant find anymore intrustors?
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in which case, when you have this sit down to talk about bits, maybe tell her that you feel you both need to go back to schooling and building up some balance and rhythm before you start spending money on new bits. its worth a try?
 
BSJAlove said:
in which case, when you have this sit down to talk about bits, maybe tell her that you feel you both need to go back to schooling and building up some balance and rhythm before you start spending money on new bits. its worth a try?
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As much as you are right in going back to basic etc, it would not go amiss to have the mare appropriately bitted as well.
 
martlin said:
As much as you are right in going back to basic etc, it would not go amiss to have the mare appropriately bitted as well.
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i didnt mean dismiss the bit discussion all together, i just meant she should have a serious talk with her instructor about what she wants to do. i agree the bit needs to be sorted but in my honest opinion, id go right back to the start in a snaffle with schooling and build it up from there, then after building this up, see if shes still mad jumping in a snaffle. then move on to sorting the bit out, then you know youve ruled lack of schooling out of it. just the way id do it though. i know that not everyone is the same :)
 
BSJAlove said:
i didnt mean dismiss the bit discussion all together, i just meant she should have a serious talk with her instructor about what she wants to do. i agree the bit needs to be sorted but in my honest opinion, id go right back to the start in a snaffle with schooling and build it up from there, then after building this up, see if shes still mad jumping in a snaffle. then move on to sorting the bit out, then you know youve ruled lack of schooling out of it. just the way id do it though. i know that not everyone is the same :)
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This is my thinking too, I personally would rather tzke the extra time to rule the more basic and fundemental things like schooling out that use gadets and harsher bits.
 
Whereabouts are you OP? I have a feeling you are near us and i'm sure we could advise some instructors to try?
 
I haven't for one moment suggested that she should go away from snaffle at all:) What I'm trying to say is, that if the horse is resisting the bit badly, flaps her head and sticks it in the air whilst running away or through contact - it would seem that current snaffle (whatever it is) is not suitable and no amount of schooling will make the mare happy; so, the logical solution would be to look at different, more horse friendly mouthpieces, different metals, thickness and so on. IMO, you should do your utmost to have the most comfortable bit for your horse from the word go, that's all:)
 
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