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I know someone who has a horse who she says isn't all that good on the road, the problem is he turns his bum out into traffic so owner was advised to school him and teach him to move away from leg, backing up with schooling whip if necessary. Owner did not take this advice and stopped riding horse.

Horse also has other issues such as barging and being dominant. Owner bought a carrot stick and rope
halter/long line and spends up to an hour wafting horse with stick or chasing him round the school.

Owner has now got a girl who does parelli/natural horsemanship to help her. Problem is that the girl does not do it properly. Was informed by another livery that they were out on the road at rush hour time with
no hi viz, headcollar and lead rope with horse on the grass verge directly after the brow of the hill on a national speed limit road, wafting the stick at him.

Owner was then seen later on riding said horse down the same hill with no riding hat on, no saddle, bridle and wearing flip flops, all under direction of this "fantastic" nh "trainer".

What would you guys do? To me and fellow liveries this is an accident waiting to happen. What would happen to her insurance If an accident occurred whilst she was out riding like this?
 
I would just let the laws on natural selection take their course tbh and hope she has not bred any more retards in the meantime :)

Stupid stupid stupid people
 
Can the YO not intervene? Ours would go nuts if we were doing that. We have to wear hats and hi-viz at the minimum.

How old are they? You say 'girl' - if they're kids could their parents put a stop to it?

At least could someone explain to them about the highway code? If they want to do parelli/nh badly that's their business but putting innocent road users/horse in danger is just not on.
 
TBH, stupid as this is, it is not your business.
If any-one can/should intervene it is the YO. Does s/he really want this type of behaviour associated with the yard? Things like this will put potential customers off.
 
If the "trainer" is actually taking money and saying that they are a Parelli trainer, then email any information you have about them to Parelli.com. They take a very dim view of this sort of thing.
I'm not backward in coming forward, so I'd be likely to take the livery aside and speak to them about this. But that's just me.
Let me just say that I find it almost unbelieveable that anyone would suddenly take it into their head to ride on the roads in flip flops, bareback, hatless, using a rope halter... are you sure this is true?

You can direct them to read this if you like:

I am an ex-Parelli student and also an ex-Parelli employee. Parelli have strict criteria about who can teach their system and their recongnised teachers and trainers are all listed on the parelli.com website. So the lady taking these lessons should consult that. Parelli will first warn anyone claiming to be qualified to teach who isn't, and then they will take legal action against them.

Parelli would not recommend that anyone should venture out on to busy roads riding bareback and in a rope halter, and without sensible safety gear. So - gullible owner - your "Parelli trainer" is an idiot and you should stop doing that now. I would also suggest that you stop having them teach you at all, but it's your horse you're going to wreck and you that will end up injured, so it's your choice.

IF you really want to do Parelli training consult the list on the site to find an accredited instructor and use them.
 
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no hi viz, headcollar and lead rope with horse on the grass verge directly after the brow of the hill on a national speed limit road, wafting the stick at him.

Owner was then seen later on riding said horse down the same hill with no riding hat on, no saddle, bridle and wearing flip flops, all under direction of this "fantastic" nh "trainer".
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no road, common or horse sense is dangerous no matter what "brand" it is :mad:.
 
I think I'd have "999" on speed dial? >.< Any "fantastic" horse person would not be sending anyone on the roads without proper saftey measures in place. Hacking is getting so scary now, you've got three brains, two of them are out of your control. That said, sounds like this lady hasnt got control of her own. Common sense switched off perhaps?
 
Oh dear, an accident waiting to happen.

There's not much you can do apart from wait for your YO to return from holiday.

I'm willing to bet it'll be received like a cold bowl of porridge if any of you try and advise.

I would probably do the "wow that's a brave move with no hat, I'd be too worried about my head not to wear one" sort of innocent, nicey nicey but with a message in there.
 
Yep it's true, she was seen on both occasions by different people, I will try to find out some more info re parelli and contact them if needs be. YO is back on weds, I heard that the trainer is coming on tuesday though, should I just hang around to see for myself, say something to horse owner quietly or wait until YO home? It's all going to end in a nasty mess
 
Let me just say that I find it almost unbelieveable that anyone would suddenly take it into their head to ride on the roads in flip flops, bareback, hatless, using a rope halter... are you sure this is true?
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especially if its got issues with roads / traffic. :eek:

If its true then thay are also patently breaking the highway code too :o

not sure you or even the YO can actually DO anything except remind the owner of the horse of the highway code ...... the rider is an adult and makes her own choices :o
 
Shes probably safer on it in flipflops than leading it.:mad:
YO will be likely to put a stop to it,I certainly wouldnt let anyone ride out of my yard like that.
As for insurance they would take a dim view if anything happened as you should be in control while on the roads,the description given would not really be of someone in control of the horse.
 
Tinypony said:
If the "trainer" is actually taking money and saying that they are a Parelli trainer, then email any information you have about them to Parelli.com. They take a very dim view of this sort of thing.
I'm not backward in coming forward, so I'd be likely to take the livery aside and speak to them about this. But that's just me.
Let me just say that I find it almost unbelieveable that anyone would suddenly take it into their head to ride on the roads in flip flops, bareback, hatless, using a rope halter... are you sure this is true?

You can direct them to read this if you like:

I am an ex-Parelli student and also an ex-Parelli employee. Parelli have strict criteria about who can teach their system and their recongnised teachers and trainers are all listed on the parelli.com website. So the lady taking these lessons should consult that. Parelli will first warn anyone claiming to be qualified to teach who isn't, and then they will take legal action against them.

Parelli would not recommend that anyone should venture out on to busy roads riding bareback and in a rope halter, and without sensible safety gear. So - gullible owner - your "Parelli trainer" is an idiot and you should stop doing that now. I would also suggest that you stop having them teach you at all, but it's your horse you're going to wreck and you that will end up injured, so it's your choice.

IF you really want to do Parelli training consult the list on the site to find an accredited instructor and use them.
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^^^Agreed^^
 
I'm not a Parelli fan, but to be fair, stupidity like this has nothing to do with the training method and everything to do with the people involved.
Here is the list of UK Parelli professionals.
http://instructor.parelli.com/instr...pa-token=16250BAE-65E1-4119-8CFA-CEA99CD2935C
At the bottom of that page is a button where you can email them to give feedback about their Parelli professionals. I am sure you could use the same contact button to let them know about anyone fraudulently claiming to be qualified to teach.
 
I personally dont think any responsible adult would be as stupid.
It sounds more to me, like its a story thats grown arms and legs to take it to greater heights. Or someone who has a problem with the rider and her horse or the fact shes using NH methods.
If it is a fact based srory,the rider and trainer are breaking the law by taking the horse out on the road without a bridle on.
I still feel this could be more of a tale mind you
 
marydoll said:
I personally dont think any responsible adult would be as stupid.
It sounds more to me, like its a story thats grown arms and legs to take it to greater heights. Or someone who has a problem with the rider and her horse or the fact shes using NH methods.
If it is a fact based srory,the rider and trainer are breaking the law by taking the horse out on the road without a bridle on.
I still feel this could be more of a tale mind you
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They aren't breaking the law, the use of a bridle is guidance given in the Highway Code, not mandatory by law. The definition of bridle is open to interpretation as well.

I say this as a fully insured rider who uses various versions of bitless, including rope halters/riding halters/hackamores... However, as might be gathered from my other posts, I have put a lot of work and training into that.

In this case I would have thought that the YO would be within their rights to ask to see a copy of the "instructor's" insurance cover document before allowing them on the yard.
 
It was the more trustworthy liveries of the yard who happened to mention it as until my horse got broken I had ridden out with owner a few times so they wondered what the heck was going on and were also worried if horse sat on someones car and caused an almighty accident or if they happened to let go of horse, I suppose I will see or myself in a few days :-{
 
Pearlsasinger said:
TBH, stupid as this is, it is not your business.
If any-one can/should intervene it is the YO. Does s/he really want this type of behaviour associated with the yard? Things like this will put potential customers off.
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^^This^^
really is very stupid especiallly the danger aspect riding on the roads as you've described but as for the rest, why does it concern you so much what this livery does?
there are twits on every yard its best to just let them get on with it or it will drive you mad
 
clip_clop said:
She's definately not on there!
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Clip Clop, if she's claiming to be teaching Parelli then get as much info about her as you can and report her. If you can give contact details they will follow it up. I know because I've phoned up a few imposters in my time!
 
I will do some further investigating and let you know what I find out about her, I have been pondering over this all day but am glad I posted for some
advice
 
Im sure in my riding and road safety training we were told that on the roads now you need to have a bridle on by law, I might be wrong and dont have the info in front of me to check, but im pretty sure thats what was said
 
marydoll said:
Im sure in my riding and road safety training we were told that on the roads now you need to have a bridle on by law, I might be wrong and dont have the info in front of me to check, but im pretty sure thats what was said
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Maydoll, that's probably a subject for another thread. It's advice based on the Highway Code, and as I said before - define bridle. Does a bridle have to have a bit? Does it have to have something in the horse's mouth? (what about a mechanical hackamore for example?). Does a Dr Cook's count as a bridle? What about a Pony Boy bridle, which has a similar action to a Dr Cooks but is made of rope... What about a bosal? And is a cowboy-style rawhide bosal on a leather hanger a bridle, and if it is, what about a rope bosal on a rope hanger?
It absolutely 100% is not the law that you have to have a bitted bridle on your horse to ride on the roads. If it was then no insurance company would give public liability insurance to bitless riders, and they do.
To be honest, it's an old argument that I for one am not going to get into again, simply because I have the insurance certificate to prove it.
 
marydoll said:
Im sure in my riding and road safety training we were told that on the roads now you need to have a bridle on by law, I might be wrong and dont have the info in front of me to check, but im pretty sure thats what was said
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The 'Law' doesn't say anything about bridles, it only talks of kids under 14 wearing a hard hat.
 
Tinypony said:
Maydoll, that's probably a subject for another thread. It's advice based on the Highway Code, and as I said before - define bridle. Does a bridle have to have a bit? Does it have to have something in the horse's mouth? (what about a mechanical hackamore for example?). Does a Dr Cook's count as a bridle? What about a Pony Boy bridle, which has a similar action to a Dr Cooks but is made of rope... What about a bosal? And is a cowboy-style rawhide bosal on a leather hanger a bridle, and if it is, what about a rope bosal on a rope hanger?
It absolutely 100% is not the law that you have to have a bitted bridle on your horse to ride on the roads. If it was then no insurance company would give public liability insurance to bitless riders, and they do.
To be honest, it's an old argument that I for one am not going to get into again, simply because I have the insurance certificate to prove it.
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Nice post TP.
 
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