Suggestions for New Super Mare Please :D

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Hello all,
I would like stallion suggestions please for my new super broodie! She is a brown 16.2hh approx 15yr old maiden mare by Flagmount King out of a Tb mare Lazette by Stubbs Gazette. She has a half brother that evented to quite a high level in England appearantly (he was sold for £40,000 as a 3 yr old) by Cavalier Royale and a brother point to pointing in England also. I'd like to track down the Cavalier Royale brother but I can't get his name unfortunately.
She has an unreal hindleg and can jump 6ft handily. She is VERY athletic! However she hasn't really done much competing and has been a pet for the last 10 years.
I am wanting to send her to a TB and currently Golden Lariat is choice number 1 but all suggestions are welcome. The aim is to breed an eventer. She has plenty of scope and movement so can carry the flatter TB movement.
Here she is:

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and looking quite like her father I think:
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All confo critiques and stallion suggestions welcome.
Thank you in advance!
 
have you tried looking your mare up on the sport horse database? if she is there you may be able to track her brother down by clicking on the mare and then her offspring.

it might be worth looking at Honour Cruise, not a pure TB (3/4 TB / 1/4 ID) but he has the lovely breeding of Cruising x Clover Hill and will be evented this year by Oli Townend - or their other boy Power Blade who just had a son (Power Line) go advanced with OT too.

both can be seen here

http://www.horsebreedersmagazine.com/#/power-blade/4548832430

and Nina at Harthill is lovely to deal with
 
If not Honour Cruise and you want pure TB, Harthill Stud also have the TB stallion Power Blade who is one of those irish greats that has thankfully been brought to the UK. His son Power Line upgraded to Advanced eventing last weekend and is out of a KoD line mare. Also there is Primitive Academy at Louella Stud who I adore!!!
 
I agree with above id put her with a warmblood.poss a Trak or oldenburg. shes got a beautiful head and neck.
good luck!
 
What about Stormhill Miller?

As a personal thing I wouldn't use Golden Lariat because IMO his pedigree is not good enough for sporthorse production with both ND and Mr P in the first 3 generations, but that is just my opinion.

I was going to suggest Riyalan but he has a treble to ND on the dams side so maybe not.

If you would do AI then you could have alot more options like Power Blade, Primo Pageant, etc and some really nice TB's in Europe like Downe Right Rebel and Watermill Rolex full brother to Watermill Swatch who is maybe another to think about.

Perhaps check out some of the TB's on the Holstiener and KWPN website?

Will keep thinking :)
 
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Thank you everybody great suggestions.
I would like to go for natural cover this year as it is her maiden year and it is just that little bit easier for maiden mares to go live cover instead of AI i think-i could be wrong!
Also it would have to be Irish based as well.
I wanted to use Powerblade-I loved him when he won the Croker Cup but he's accross the water now!
I would be interested in stormhill Miller - is he that TB in Wicklow that got the 4* horse?
I take your reservations about Golden Lariat, I liked him cos of the foals I have seen and the fact that he is a half brother to High Roller who has had quite a bit of success as an eventing sire.
I am also considering Loughohoe Guy (sp?) I like him a lot and he's only down the road!
I think Watermill Swatch lacked a bit of substance when i seen him in the flesh.
I'm trying to stay away from the warmblood I'm afraid, she's got such lovely traditional breeding I'd like to go full Irish this year. I am considering Selle Francais for next year but this year I'm going TB.
Also on a cynical level, Irish warmbloods just aren't as commercial as foals as the pure Irish and as I intend to sell the offspring after weaning I have to think saleability (sp?) :(
Also she has incredible movement so doesn't really need much help in that area.
I feel so lucky to have her, it's like having a Ferrari in the field ;)
Thanks again for all the suggestions I am working through the links right now!!

Also has anyone presented a mare for the new ISH mare inspections? I'd like to have a go with her but we'll see how much time I have for it...Are they jumped loose along with the triangle? Does anyone rate this process?
Thank you all again again :D
 
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gadetra said:
Thank you everybody great suggestions.
I would like to go for natural cover this year as it is her maiden year and it is just that little bit easier for maiden mares to go live cover instead of AI i think-i could be wrong!
Also it would have to be Irish based as well.
I wanted to use Powerblade-I loved him when he won the Croker Cup but he's accross the water now!
:D
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That is not quiet true, but everyone to their own. I would also recommend Power Blade after seeing him at Addington.
 
Lovely mare!

Yes I quite agree- you would want to use a full thoroughbred on this mare.

I've just had a quick scan of the list of thoroughbred stallions in the 2010 irish sport horse stallion book.
Can't assess them all as most of them dont have pictures, but only a select handfull of them have the right sort of pedigree for eventing/jumping.

Didnt go through the whole book but I would look at;-

Master Imp ( definately first choice but not sure whether he's still alive or what he looks like in the flesh)
Shareef, Rachelle Comet, Houmayoun, Freddie's Star,Minstrel Bouncer, Tasset, Sovereign Water, Lord noble, Rock Chanteur and Desert Knight.

Be carefull with TB pedigrees because a lot of lines will not give you a good jumping horse and there are quite a few in there in that book that I would not use to breed a eventer/showjumper!
 
eventrider23 said:
Yes I believe Miller is in Wicklow. Power Blade is still available in Ireland via AI.
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If they are located in Northern Ireland any british based stallions could ship semen over to them.
If they are based in southern Ireland ,only stallions RESIDENT in an EU centre can ship semen to them .
I may be wrong but thought Power Blade was a walk in stallion but i am happy to be corrected.
 
seabsicuit2 said:
Lovely mare!

Yes I quite agree- you would want to use a full thoroughbred on this mare.

I've just had a quick scan of the list of thoroughbred stallions in the 2010 irish sport horse stallion book.
Can't assess them all as most of them dont have pictures, but only a select handfull of them have the right sort of pedigree for eventing/jumping.

Didnt go through the whole book but I would look at;-

Master Imp ( definately first choice but not sure whether he's still alive or what he looks like in the flesh)
Shareef, Rachelle Comet, Houmayoun, Freddie's Star,Minstrel Bouncer, Tasset, Sovereign Water, Lord noble, Rock Chanteur and Desert Knight.

Be carefull with TB pedigrees because a lot of lines will not give you a good jumping horse and there are quite a few in there in that book that I would not use to breed a eventer/showjumper!
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Couldn't agree more, I took a look in the 2009 book earlier and the good ones are either old, dead or just not producing the quality stock and the new ones don't have the breeding or are way to fine. :rolleyes:

Have a look through the ISH book there are a few nearly full TB's that might fit the bill.

I posted a thread last year about HIS type TB stallions, look it up there might be some ideas on that thread as I think there was some imput from Ireland. :)
 
If you do think about not full TB but very close maybe look at Clover Brigade, Clover Valley, Coronea Eagle, Kiltealy Spring etc, as they all have a very high percentage of TB.
 
sallyf said:
If they are located in Northern Ireland any british based stallions could ship semen over to them.
If they are based in southern Ireland ,only stallions RESIDENT in an EU centre can ship semen to them .
I may be wrong but thought Power Blade was a walk in stallion but i am happy to be corrected.
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Actually i will revise this i think there is frozen available EU for Power blade
 
I THINK Sally altho stand to be corrected that Power Blade was sent for a while to be frozen and so has EU frozen stored now (or soon will as I believe that was the plan) and last i heard there was talk of him standing at Twemlows itself for ease of collection, etc.
 
i suggest using Kreator. hes TB but used as refinement for WBs studbooks like HOLST and some others i think...
lovely offspring, calm athletic, BRILLIANT jumps, nice movement-free through shoulder and hock etc.
i suggest giving him a look.
 
seabsicuit2 said:
Lovely mare!

Yes I quite agree- you would want to use a full thoroughbred on this mare.

I've just had a quick scan of the list of thoroughbred stallions in the 2010 irish sport horse stallion book.
Can't assess them all as most of them dont have pictures, but only a select handfull of them have the right sort of pedigree for eventing/jumping.

Didnt go through the whole book but I would look at;-

Master Imp ( definately first choice but not sure whether he's still alive or what he looks like in the flesh)
Shareef, Rachelle Comet, Houmayoun, Freddie's Star,Minstrel Bouncer, Tasset, Sovereign Water, Lord noble, Rock Chanteur and Desert Knight.

Be carefull with TB pedigrees because a lot of lines will not give you a good jumping horse and there are quite a few in there in that book that I would not use to breed a eventer/showjumper!
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Yes I want to be super careful about which Tb to go for. Sadly, Colourfield, Master Imp and Cult Hero amongst others have passed on. I haven't heard much about Rock Chanteur's progeny but wil look him up again. I like the sound of Raise You Time but he's getting on now and Master Imp has an S1 son Golden Master but I woul dlike to find out hy he wasn't approved before I'd think of using him. I like Rachelle Comet i have seen him before but he is a bit light i think. Lord Noble...I love Sir Gaylord in a pedigree but he's another golden oldie. Rich Rebel is abother lovely old chap...
Is Porter Rhodes still covering? I hear he produces sharp stuff though, and she's sharp anough herself.
Billie's Bank is another high up on the list.
I have been pouring over the studbook since the New Year and am pretty much no where nearer a solution!
Saracen Hill is aother younger chap I seen and was impressed by as was Market Square and Oke Boy but they don't appear to be popular/successful.
Anyone know why?
She has Precipitation in her backbreeding so any lines in particular that cros well with this?
I have so many questions sorry, I have never had a mare of her quality before so stud decisions were never this wide, varied or head wreacking before!!
ps. jcwh do you have a link to kreator?

Thank you all again :D
 
Re; unsuccessfull/unpopular stallions- I think this is all purely down to marketing and business savvy of the owner!

The better the marketing, the better the mares the stallion attracts. Without any marketing,there is no large band of mares to cover, so it can then take years before people realise what good stuff a stallion is producing.

I love Billie's bank pedigree!

Precipitation seems to cross well with anything



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Ok so I heard that Morningside Stud had a few straws from Heraldik - i'm not sure when/where I heard it but does anyone know if thay still have? He has to be the ultimate TB! Jumped GP, and sire of serious performers. If i was to AI, I'd like some of that please!
Also French Buffet-did he leave any straws behind him?
On the living ones what do people think of High Roller? He has some high level eventers out there-anyone have any dealings with him/his stock?
Oh decisions decisions!!
 
Just looked up Stormhill Miller-looks a nice sort but he's only S1 and i would be hesitant about using an S1 stallion...although he has good progeny performance but then why only S1?
 
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