Suggestions for this mare- native stallions please

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Hi my friend is looking to breed from her mare, she is a chestnut, TB very fine mare (I will try and get a photo), she is well put together and the vet has oked her having a foal, she has the most amazing temprement and my friend got her out of the field as a untouched 6 yr old and broke her in and she has been so easy to do!

She wants to keep the foal, and wants something with a bit more bone, but not too big, so speaking to a knowledgeable friend they suggested maybe a native and possibly a highland, any one else have any suggestions? (PM if needed not to break the T&C's)

Thanks
 
My girl is a tb x new forest. Dam is the tb, Sire New forest. I am totally biased I know, but if I saw another cross like hers for sale as a youngster I would move heaven and earth to have it. Lovely cross IMO.
 
Depends what sort of highland you go for. A friend of a friend owns a highland stud (and I'm NOT advertising!) and she breeds much larger horses than people would think were highlands. Apparently it's something to do with which island they're from??

Anyway, mates highland looks like Dor (grey mare in my siggy!) and I reckon that sort of stallion would suit a TB nicely!

For other natives - can't beat a welshXtb or IDXTB imo.
 
Plenty of good Highland stallions about (Google The Highland Pony Society and have a look at the stud adverts) and the TBxHP is a known good cross. Highlands can be up to 14.2HH but it is usually the dam who influences size. I'm up in the Highlands, where the best Highlands are <g>, so not much use to you! Be aware that there are different types of Highlands. Personally, I'd choose one from a known performance strain for a cross.
 
SusieT said:
Connemara-conniextb are quite good generally
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I'll second that. If the mare is very fine and it will be her first time foaling then I'd steer clear of anything with too much bone as it could make for a difficult foaling. A Connemara should give a little more substance but shouldn't be too heavy. I know of many really really good competition horses who are TB x Connie.
 
Putting a Connemara Stallion on her is a well known and acceptable good cross. You should get a bit more substance with a sensible head on it. The welsh stallions may produce a fiery temperament.
 
Have a look at the welsh sports horse web site http://www.welshsporthorses.com - they put their Welsh Section D stallions to TB mares and get some really nice stock. The also have pictures of their progeny and current status of their progress on their blog so worth a nosey!
 
I wouldn't normally try to put off anybody looking to use Highland ponies but you would effectively be doing the cross the 'wrong way round' as it is better and safer to finesse with a finer stallion to a chunky mare.

Bearing that in mind you can still use a native stallion, just be sure it has a traceable breeding history where the family lines are on the lighter side of native
 
Obviously (as we breed them) another vote for the Tb x Sec D. Thanks Yorketown :)

We have never had an issue with a firey welsh part bred that we have bred. They are intelligent animals that if correctly bred, will give you their all and can be both competition horses and happy hackers, unlike many of the more foreign bred horses.

In general terms, by putting a Sec D stallion on a Tb mare (as opposed to the other way around) you will get an offspring that carries the size and quality of the mare but with the bone, intelligence and good temperament of the Sec D.

Sadly many Welsh lines get castigated with a fiery temperament because they are shut indoors for hours on end and fed up to the hilt.I would suggest that any horse would become fiery under those circumstances! They are also intelligent animals and dont suffer fools gladly. In the right hands though they are 'showmen' , performers and best friend all rolled into one.

Good luck with your breeding programme.
 
I know its not a native cross but what about a quarter horse - we have had some super crosses TB to quarter horse.

My daughter's first horse is one and he's proving fab - do anything with a great attitude.
 
the watcher said:
I wouldn't normally try to put off anybody looking to use Highland ponies but you would effectively be doing the cross the 'wrong way round' as it is better and safer to finesse with a finer stallion to a chunky mare.

Bearing that in mind you can still use a native stallion, just be sure it has a traceable breeding history where the family lines are on the lighter side of native
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Only saw this after I posted. Interested to know why you have that view ?

With Welsh Part breds (talking tb x Sec D) - we find that with a "normal" Sec D mare say 14 - 15.2h crossed with a tb stallion then the offspring tend to follow the cob appearance and end up looking like a welsh cob but sometimes lacking bone.This is not always the case as we have crossed tb stallion with a BIG cob mare and produced this (image thanks to Julia Lyon).

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More often than not we do the cross with a Sec D stallion on a tb mare which produces, height and quality. Interested to know if your comment is because you prefer to bred a Highland looking p-b (which we dont :)) or if its for another reason?

This is an example of a Sec d stallion on a tb mare(although this mare does have a touch of ID as well :) (image thanks to K Sweeny)

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Marchell said:
Only saw this after I posted. Interested to know why you have that view ?

With Welsh Part breds (talking tb x Sec D) - we find that with a "normal" Sec D mare say 14 - 15.2h crossed with a tb stallion then the offspring tend to follow the cob appearance and end up looking like a welsh cob but sometimes lacking bone.This is not always the case as we have crossed tb stallion with a BIG cob mare and produced this (image thanks to Julia Lyon).

rhsmusic6.jpg


More often than not we do the cross with a Sec D stallion on a tb mare which produces, height and quality. Interested to know if your comment is because you prefer to bred a Highland looking p-b (which we dont :)) or if its for another reason?

This is an example of a Sec d stallion on a tb mare(although this mare does have a touch of ID as well :) (image thanks to K Sweeny)

mattie%2Bllanymynech%2B2.jpg
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My comment was pretty much specific to Highland Pony crosses but could also transfer to other notably heavy breeds. The cross between Highland stallion and TB mare can work but the outcome is less guaranteed in my view. And no I don't use the 'blood' stallion because I especially want to retain predominantly Highland characteristics
See below, Onyx is out of a highland mare by an arab stallion - I think he has inherited an equal measure of the best of both

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I have heard of a TB mare covered by a highland that produced a foal with legs so spindly in relation to the body size that it had to be PTS. The old horseman's saying of blood to bone has some wisdom behind it.
 
Yorktown & Marchell - couldn't agree more. Cundlegreen on here has a very nice stallion called Fellinfach Tory Boy & she also has a 4 year old filly by him out of a TB mare, who got an Elite premium for Eventing at the Futurity in 2008 - really gorgeous filly and absolutely fab temperament.
 
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