suppliments for laminitus?

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hi my pony has been diagnosed with laminitus today, her original diet was a hand full of low cal so i could put her mag ox and devils claw in alongside hay, she lives out 24/7 and although overweight has never had it before.
The vet has put her on 1 sachet of bute a day and sedalin twice a day and im to give her hi fi and formular 4 feet. (she thinks shes died and gone to heaven at the mo!) lol.
my question is should i still continue giving her her mag ox and devils claw and are there any other suppliments i should consider giving. Forgot to add she has rosehips as well.

thanks
 
Do you mean HiFi original, or HiFi Lite?

If you mean original that is the very last thing I would give to an already overweight horse suffering an attack of laminitis.

Fast Fibre would be a good alternative, low in sugar and starch(much lower in sugar than HiFi).

As far as supps go, you're giving pretty much what I would give, although I'd probably add hawthorn and nettle to that list. Alternatively, you could use a lami targeted supplement(look at NAF, Global Herbs etc).

Good luck with her, hope she's over the worst of the attack very soon

x
 
Thank you shes not too bad just a bit footsore at the mo, originally thought she had pulled something in the snow. Its hi fi lite shes having and thanks il look into hawthawn, my only query with me continuing with the mag ox is that the formular 4 feets has magnesium in and was unsure if she would be having too much of it.
 
Hello,

I am sorry to hear about your pony.

Couple of things from my own experiences:
- Devil's Claw + bute can cause stomach lining irritation, so you may want to either
check with your vet or maybe stop the devil's claw for now?
- Is the sedalin for blood vessel dilation or for relaxation while on box rest? Either
way, it can sometimes interact negatively with hawthorn.
- I also use F4F and found it helped hoof quality for all mine.

Good luck -- dene
 
dene said:
Hello,

I am sorry to hear about your pony.

Couple of things from my own experiences:
- Devil's Claw + bute can cause stomach lining irritation, so you may want to either
check with your vet or maybe stop the devil's claw for now?
- Is the sedalin for blood vessel dilation or for relaxation while on box rest? Either
way, it can sometimes interact negatively with hawthorn.
- I also use F4F and found it helped hoof quality for all mine.

Good luck -- dene
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Thanks for that as i was a bit unsure about continuing with original supps, il prob leave out untill off the bute and sedalin.

I think the sedalin is for both reasons you stated, as she lives out iv had to electric tape an area around her field shelter, Vet wanted her only in shelter but we compromised at me giving her a ten foot area around as her legs swell if not mobile and also she is surrounded by feilds full ov horses that get very excited when the hunt comes past so i was a bit concerned how she would be boxed up and not seeing anything if everything around her is galloping around.
 
If it was mine I'd be feeding her 1.5% of her bodyweight soaked hay (weighed before soaking) and a handful of soaked sugarbeet for her mag ox & bute. I'd wait till the attack was over before introducing F4F. Why was she on Devil's Claw?
 
I put her on devils claw as she seemed slightly lame a couple of days ago, initially it seemed as tho she had pulled something around her hip area.

It had crossed my mind that she had possible lammi but the snow had just thawed and i think they all had a few mad gallops, so at the time i thought she had slipped. Also she had no lammi stance, slightly warm but not hot hooves and could only just about feel a digital pulse which varied over the few days from nothing to slight.
 
One of the most important aspects of managing laminitis is to support the frog. That's why the first thing for an attack of laminitis is to get the horse into a stable with deep soft bedding right up to the door. I'm amazed that your vets are happy for your horse to be out in a field, even if taped to make it a small area. It's the support to the frog that's important. Have they said to tape supports to the affected feet?
 
sorry i prob have not put things across correctly, she has a deep bedded area in which she is in, the taped off area goes in front of the shelter and just allows her to see to the sides of the shelter so she can see what is going on behind her.

I asked if she needed anything done with her feet but she said no as she has not got it very bad.
 
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So sorry to hear your news I just lost my mare to laminitis in November. First thing is glad you've got the mag ox -- ar you feeding a pinch of table salt with it ? as this will help the absorption of it ... treat your horse as if it were a diabetic human -cut out all treats immediately .. no carrots mints apples parnsips, swede horse treats..nothing srcutinise everything that goes in his mouth - try and weed out everything that is over 8% protein and feed absolutely no hard feed whatsoever .. we only feed hay and herbs/straight minerals ...soak all your hay for at least 8 hours and rinse it well before feeding - do not feed haylage at any price ... if you are in any doubt look at the barefoot horse websites ... they tend to focus more on the holisitc care of the horse and are usually excellent on nutrition and care of the laminitic horse -- we use an Equine Podiatrist from the EPAUK .they have a website that might help you -- if your horse is shod and your farrier is not giving you this advice question why not .. what goes in the horses lamintic mouth is just as important as what is happening to their feet ...we lost our mare despite all of this ... but if we hand't done it we'd have lost her a lot sooner - she already had had laminitis before we got her and the sinking and rotation had already occurred so we always knew her days were numbered ... we just bought her 21/2 years of extra quality time and we said if she ever got it again and had more damage we'd let her go which we did .... read everything you can on the subject and don't be afraid to challenge your vet/farrier if things are not going well .... also do not buy into the myth that all products staring to be approved by Laminitis Research bodies are okay for laminitic horses - some of these organisations dole out their logo to companies willing to pay them a substantial amount for the privelege .we learnt this the hard way ... our horses are now barefoot .. we won't go back to shoeing again for them - lamintitc or not . .we now hoof boot as you can change the comfort pads yourself instead of waiting for heart bars to be nailed or glued onto a foot that is already in pain and trauma --also consider de-toxing your horse asap .... the chemicals given by the vet will help the horse cope with pain but they can also over toxify the liver and kidneys too ... i even de-tox our horses now before and after worrming .. it works so i do it ....make sure your horse is on the deepest supportive bed possible - ideally a bedding that can pack into the foot like shavings - the bed must be deep and clean and solid and all they way to the door ... make sure you check your horses crest, digital pulses and eye pockets at least twice every day -we do ours morning and night as part of our general daily routine - it takes seconds but can save you a lot of heartache - you will quickly learn what is normal for your horse and be able to spot an attack or worsening of symptoms much more quickly -- not all laminitis presents the same in each horse but if you know what to monitor you'll spot it much more quickly ... if i can be of any further help please feel free to pm me anytime ...when your vet xrays the feet make sure they use metal markers on the point of fgrog and hoof wall - so you cna see how much sinking has occurred - if any - your farrier /trimmer should then trim the foot to the position of the pedal bone within the foot - if you have damage in more than one foot the feet may need different trims to ensure each foot is adequately supporting the pedal bone - beware of any trimming that makes each foot look identical to the others - your farrier / trimmer should, ideally, carry out their next lot of work with the xrays in front of them - and most definitely with the input of your vet - our guy trims our horses with his laptop and latest feet xrays on it to ensure his trime is 100% accurate for that foot ... OCD? maybe - but it works ... an excellent supplement for Lamintis is Equimins Laminator - we now feed this as a regular supplement to ensure good quality growth of the laminae all year round .. i'd hate you to go through what we've just been through, am sending you my best wishes, Dawn
 
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Angel horse . . . Thank you so much for such an in depth reply i will certainly look at the barefoot websites. She is already barefoot as she is just a companion pony, I think thats probally why she became noticably footy as the ground was frozen yesterday. I am already looking into getting a barefoot trimmer and hopefully willl be in contact today. (she usually has a farrier trim) Vet did comment on how strong her feet were. I will follow vets advice (bute and sedalin) but would like to give her more natural suppliment, its just knowing when the best time to start... I have used the equinatural website before so i guess i will give them a call and ask advice as i think it all starts to get mind blowing and i do want the best for her.

Thanks again and thank you to all that have replied.
 
Angelhorse said:
door ... make sure you check your horses crest, digital pulses and eye pockets at least twice every day -
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I check my horse's digital pulse every day to monitor the blood flow to her hooves. What are you checking the eye pockets for? I presume another pulse, but for what reason?
 
I have a pony that's prone to laminitis, we also check his hooves each day but why the eye pockets?

I'm pretty worried about him at the moment, his sharer has quit and he's looking tubby, normally he goes through winter without needing restricted grazing.
 
My horse had laminitis in March and what a terrible 5months I went through, I rang the Laminitic Trust and they were so helpful. I changed her diet, she was fed 1.5% of her bodyweight, I fed Happy Hoof with magnesium, weighed and soaked her hay for 12 hours.

I can ride her now and she gets turned out in a muzzle, although this last week the grass has got so short I only turn her out for 3hours without a muzzle.

Hope she's better soon.
 
kethief said:
hi my pony has been diagnosed with laminitus today, her original diet was a hand full of low cal so i could put her mag ox and devils claw in alongside hay, she lives out 24/7 and although overweight has never had it before.
The vet has put her on 1 sachet of bute a day and sedalin twice a day and im to give her hi fi and formular 4 feet. (she thinks shes died and gone to heaven at the mo!) lol.
my question is should i still continue giving her her mag ox and devils claw and are there any other suppliments i should consider giving. Forgot to add she has rosehips as well.

thanks
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I would feed what ever the Laminitis Trust recommend, they are listed on their website, defo give FFF, I would think you should be feeding Hi Fi lite not normal, Spillers High Fibre cubes, they also told me to feed a pint of soaked unmolassed sugar beet, speedy beet. He was allowed 6lb of hay day and night which was triple netted to last longer.

Don't know what Mag ox is so cant comment on that, would think devils claw is ok depends if sugar in it, better to check with Lami Trust. I was trying to get through to them the other day, if you do get through can you let me know as I couldn't
 
kethief said:
Thanks for that as i was a bit unsure about continuing with original supps, il prob leave out untill off the bute and sedalin.

I think the sedalin is for both reasons you stated, as she lives out iv had to electric tape an area around her field shelter, Vet wanted her only in shelter but we compromised at me giving her a ten foot area around as her legs swell if not mobile and also she is surrounded by feilds full ov horses that get very excited when the hunt comes past so i was a bit concerned how she would be boxed up and not seeing anything if everything around her is galloping around.
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Check with your vet, its only a phone call :-) to be sure
 
I wouldn't be happy feeding any branded feed to a laminitic, an organisation that recommends it is probably sponsered to do so.
If you have never heard of mag ox, you might be better not to offer advice to a laminitic.
 
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