swamp fever in uk

[ QUOTE ]
The question is.... from the boat into the U.K to Wiltshire. How many counties did the horses go though AND STOP IN.

[/ QUOTE ]

And how many flies bit them?
 
[ QUOTE ]
i had midges in the entrance to the bottom barn yesterday.

i mucked out in just a t-shirt yesterday and today.
it was 10 degrees.

this "outbreak" is less than 40 minutes away.

DEFRA and all who sail in her are a waste of time.

[/ QUOTE ]

We had midges yesterday and Sunday too.

It's ok, Defra will just change it's name to dis-associate itself with any debacle (should it not be contained) much as they did in 2001 when MAFF came under fierce criticism over it's handling of the foot and mouth outbreak and was disbanded. Defra rose from the ashes then.
 
if it is at the yard that i think it is, the dealer is still advertising and selling on Horsemart.

and looking at the dross he has advertised ATM, it beggers belief he actually sells anything at all....
 
[ QUOTE ]
The question is.... from the boat into the U.K to Wiltshire. How many counties did the horses go though AND STOP IN.

[/ QUOTE ]

Lets assume Calais to Dover crossing.......depending on the route taken includes:
Kent
London
Berkshire
Hampshire
Surrey
Sussex

scarey thought isnt it!
 
The problem with EIA is it's not tranmitted from direct equine - equine contact. Much as it was painfully apparent that we couldn't contain Blue Tongue when that entered our shores. We now have a nationwide Blue Tongue Zone.

Midges cover vast areas, infection will be far more widespread than contiguous contact spread as we got with Foot and Mouth.

I agree that all imports should now be stopped and the tripartate agreement needs to be revoked/suspended. Coggins tests should be done in animal collection centres, quarantined before travelling is authorised.

The BHS and Defra may say we're over reacting, but they said the same back in 2001 and look what happened then....much as they reassured us that Blue Tongue could also be contained.
 
agreed patches, the piece written seems to indicate that its maybe better it isnt passed by direct contact, IMO it is far far worse to have a vector, same with blue tongue.

Absolutely animals should be quarantined near port and tested before being allowed to move on.
 
It's the worse kind of tranmission, IMO, as you cannot possibly prevent it....especially where midges are concerned.

Can it be carried by any midge or is a specific midge, like with Blue Tongue and African Horse Sickness?
 
patches I think it might be anything that bites and gets contaminated by blood as depends if it needs the vector to be passive or active back in a bit!
 
The EIA virus is mechanically transmitted from one horse to another by the bloodsucking horse flies, deer flies (Tabanids), stable flies (Stomoxys spp.), mosquitoes and possibly midges. For transmission of the EIA virus to occur, the horse fly (vector) must first find and begin feeding on an infected horse, be interrupted in its feeding, and then transfer the virus during a subsequent feeding on a susceptible horse. Feeding must occur within a short period of time. Tabanids’ large size and noisy flight attract attention and their cutting/slashing rnouthparts inflict considerable pain, therefore, their feeding is frequently interrupted. Research has indicated that the EIA virus can be transmitted up to 30 minutes after the first feeding, however, transmission after 4 hours was unsuccessful.

Horse flies may have a home range or flight distance of up to 4 miles and therefore, in Canada, permanent quarantine requires complete isolation in a fly proof building.


borrowed from an ontario infosite after a quick search so yup basically anything then really
frown.gif
frown.gif
 
Christ....not just midges! I hadn't thought about it being any old fly.

Thankfully it's not horsefly season here, but there's plenty of other biting flies around...more so than midges.

Not like you can reduce the risk by keeping them stabled at dusk/dawn as you can with midges.

GAH! I do believe it's quite possible that we're up the creek without a paddle! I have a pond in my winter and summer grazing too.
frown.gif
 
[ QUOTE ]
should the inport of horses from countries with endemic swamp fever be banned

what are your views

[/ QUOTE ]
They can all have coggins tests and be isolated/quarantined before export, perhaps from the time blood is taken.
Stopping all import would rather f*ck up breeding and competition, wouldn't it?
 
Thanks Anyone, thats 47 miles from me. Far too close for comfort and i have competion horses. Could that affect things like Barbury horse trials later in the season? If it spreads then i can't see riders prepared to stable horses with the risk of flies causing EIA.
 
When I lived in Hong Kong one of the pack mules died of EIA (fit one minute, went out for a ride and dropped dead it came back). Cue testing of all equines in the colony and a large number of them being PTS, none of them were ill. A very sad time especially when the two old timers wouldn't come out of their stables to be taken down the road to what was effectively a killing field with a big pit for the carcasses.
 
If it's any consolation, midges, mozzies and other biting insects don't have a wide flight range (if that's the correct term) so they won't be flying the 47 miles to your yard. However, I do wonder if it isn't now time to implement Coggins tests in addition to the usual vacs. On our yard it's every 6 mths for horses that don't leave the yard (broodmares and youngstock) and 2mths for horses out competing.
 
[ QUOTE ]
When I lived in Hong Kong one of the pack mules died of EIA (fit one minute, went out for a ride and dropped dead it came back). Cue testing of all equines in the colony and a large number of them being PTS, none of them were ill. A very sad time especially when the two old timers wouldn't come out of their stables to be taken down the road to what was effectively a killing field with a big pit for the carcasses.

[/ QUOTE ]
How tragic!
frown.gif
I've heard of a case here where one horse had it, and mercifully NO other horses on the yard caught it. I believe all the animals were quarantined and had to have weekly tests for a couple of months (maybe more; the details are a bit fuzzy) and another case of someone who lost 75% of his breeding stock to AIE
frown.gif
 
Reading ester's posts earlier, any horse biting fly can carry it...including horseflies, those black biting flies that looks like houseflies etc.

It's not just midges who carry it. "They" said Blue Tongue wouldn't spread nationwide....but it did!
 
I am not sure how pre import testing would work though, as from the place they were tested to entering the uk their would be risk of reinfection. I would prefer to see pre and post import testing combined I think.

and sorry for the bad news patches AHS is midges only and is related to blue tongue, the same sort of virus anyway, EIA is a retrovirus only one of those I know off the top of my head is HIV.
 
[ QUOTE ]
should the inport of horses from countries with endemic swamp fever be banned

what are your views

[/ QUOTE ]
No, but....any old horse from anywhere can be legally exported to GB if it it is dressed up as a French cheval or if it has 'lived' on French soil before being hauled into GB. All that is needed is a truck arriving from 'wherever' with horses onboard destined for the butcher. Low end dealers or so called 'rescue orgs' buy them up at the going meat price and sell them on as ...whatever you want
wink.gif
. Dodgy passports can be organised and cheapish transport too! Almost door to door service and no questions asked
wink.gif
.
Will be interesting to see how long this thread lasts-not too long me thinks
crazy.gif
 
Yeah...I knew it was the same midge carrying Blue Tongue that can carry AHS...we just don't have any AHS infected midges of that type in this country (YET!)

It's pretty scary to think any biting fly is capable of passing it on. As temsik said, it's worse than you first think as we all assumed it'd midges that pose the threat.
 
[ QUOTE ]
I am not sure how pre import testing would work though, as from the place they were tested to entering the uk their would be risk of reinfection. I would prefer to see pre and post import testing combined I think.

[/ QUOTE ]
Well, horses coming into Argentina are tested on leaving and arriving and are quarantined both times. I was able to quarantine PF at my own yard as just my horses and we didn't go anywhere, and I think she spent 3 weeks in quarantine over here.
Interestingly, horses exported to the UK from Argentina are not required to be isolated or quarantined on arrival in the UK. Or at least they weren't.
 
I hope to god this doesnt reach our feral/semi feral native herds here in the UK.

The fecking twat who imported this shite...for what?..to sell to other twats. for inflated prices...well...i hope he gets a damned good slapping.
mad.gif
mad.gif
mad.gif
mad.gif
 
[ QUOTE ]
Stopping all import would rather f*ck up breeding and competition, wouldn't it?

[/ QUOTE ]

But would it be a possible solution in the short term, whilst they try to contain this outbreak?

I hope the rescuers are happy now that this has happened, as predicted, all because they want to rescue ponies bred for meat in the first place
crazy.gif
 
As far as I know Romania is not an island and flying insects have no respect for boarder crossings so why has swamp fever not spread throughout Europe and not rife in other european countries?

If it is mainly in Romania only then perhaps it might be worth looking at how countries nearer to Romania manage to contain it.
 
I bought a horse in Germany and just before she was due to leave for the UK , she was caught up in a quarantine zone for swamp fever which had come to Germany from Eastern Europe I believe. She could not leave for the UK or the quarantine zone as her health papers woud not be signed (understandably) . She was tested twice at least for swamp fever by Ministry vets over a period of weeks before she was then allowed to come to the UK. If she had been tested positive she would have been PTS, no compensation I believe.
I wonder will such measures be put in the UK for this outbreak?
 
I think, but not sure SO1 that we have proportionally much fewer biting insects the further north you go, hence this has limited its spread.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top