swollen horse

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see why didn't they actually let me into vet school!?

lilym would love an update by PM if preferred when more is known. I hope he's going to be ok.
 
I know, horses injury I suspect as route of infection but this is possible source. Hadn't thought of that, I forget about haylage as I don't feed.
 
'A horse's entire body swelling up after an injury??? And I mean swelling right up this horse has doubled in size overnight, even the head......it also feels "crackly" when you touch the skin......also would you call the vet?? '

yes mike but we'll let you off cos its late.
lilym has done 2 threads on this, this is the start of the other thread. I am assuming injury broke the skin and these lovely clost spores have wiggled their way in (ok the spores don't wiggle but the live bacteria do)
 
I am still thinking along a slightly different line that oedema and poor circulation in the area of the injury could be a breeding ground for clostridia from haylage.As you know ,gangrene is associated with areas of minimal circulation.I suppose it doesnt really matter how the bacteria gets in ,unless there are other horses maybe being fed from a dodgy bale.
 
Also possible, don't really know tbh, I deal with non pathogenic ones!! and it was just the cracking that cued a bit in my brain.

am sure lilym will check this post in the morning and see re the haylage.

off to bed now
 
Unlikely to be from haylage - botulism is the most likely serious condition caused by contaminated haylage (normally Type A botulinum toxin) and its symptoms show as central nervous signs, e.g. weakness, drooling, stiffness, tongue hanging out of mouth etc.

The crackling sound in a clostridium perfringens infection is the result of necrosis releasing both carbon dioxide and hydrogen subcutaneously, producing interstitial gas bubbles. The other give-away with these infections is that any exudate from the wound smells sweet-ish (rather than repulsive as with a 'normal' infection.)
 
Good Lord! In all my 40+ years around horses, I have never heard of this one and wish I hadnt. I do hope YO managed to get the vet out lastnight, please update as soon as you can lilym.
 
Hopefully your YO called the emergency vet last night, and the horse is being seen again this morning.

In cases like this (where medical attention is required immediately) the YO has a duty of care to ensure that one is contacted - whether or not the owner thinks it's necessary.......

Please let us have an update as soon as you know anythnig.
 
thanks JG I'd have done more rummaging if I wasn't supposed to be getting a presentation ready for lunchtime!

I really hope the vet went out last night
 
I'm another one who thankfully has never heard of this before. I'm kind of glad I have now as although I would have phone a vet asap if confronted by it, I now know to press home to him how serious a condition the horse is in.
 
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Unlikely to be from haylage - botulism is the most likely serious condition caused by contaminated haylage (normally Type A botulinum toxin)

[/ QUOTE ]Actually its not as unlikely as you might think.Both clostridium Botulinum and C.perfringens can thrive in the anaerobic conditions of soil contaminated haylage and silage.A quick trawl of the internet brings up a substantial volume of research on this matter.I hope the horse is OK but i fear the worst.
 
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