*takes deep breath* A 'how much' please

[arwenplusone]

16.1hh KWPN mare just turned 6 yr old. Beautiful girl, nice paces. Concorde Grandsire. Bred to SJ but will school to a high level & will do a Novice dresage test with ease.

Placed in numerous unaffiliated comps & BN, jumping 1m - 1.10 at home with a view to jumping 1.20/1.30s + (currently has skill & scope but not enough technical experience to do bigger tracks yet so is unproven). Small amount of ££ on card & has cross country schooled up to PN

'Difficult' ride. Needs strong, v dominant rider as is opinionated. When working well she is lovely but she can be nappy & argumentative. Hacks in company but sharp (& nappy) alone. Will not accept 'off days' from her rider & constantly tests boundaries.

Currently being ridden by myself & a pro (male) rider so will be out & about v soon.

Pictures not v good, sorry.

Thank you

 

[AmyMay]

£6 - 8k

And advertised as needing an experienced or professional rider means that you shouldn't get any numpties.

 

[Puppy]

Noooooooo!!

I *love* your mare

 

[Booboos]

She looks absolutely lovely and with nice breeding there is always the option to breed from her later on. Without the 'difficult' bit I would say £9.000 to 10,000 perhaps? However, the 'difficult' bit makes it, well, more difficult for want of a better word! I would imagine most people looking around the 16.1hh range would be women and might find her too strong? Maybe £6,000 to be realistic and get a quick sale?

 

[saskia295]

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Noooooooo!!

I *love* your mare

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Exactly what I was going to put

 

[kombikids]

shes so pretty tho! have you had enough (kind of get that from the wording!) as shes quite unproven actual record wise i would guess 6-8, can you ask the pro rider? good luck.

 

[Mac1999]

I think about £9000.
If you keep her and she can jump 1.30 it'll be more and if you do more xc schooling I think more too as she could make a nice little eventer??

 

[Flame_]

Erm, I'd like to say this tactfully but I'm rubbish at that so I'll just say what I'm thinking and let you explain where you're coming from.

From what you have posted previously, this mare is not just "difficult", she's dangerous. If you've decided to sell I gather she's not cured you've just decided she could still do a job for the right rider. I'm a competant confident rider who knowingly took on a difficult horse for a reduced competition horse price, but not problem horse money, and found the horse was not difficult but dangerous due to under-lying complicated physical problems. Sorry but there is a world of difference between tricky/not for a novice and dangerous. A horse that floors you twelve times in a month isn't just tricky and you look and sound like as capable or better a rider as most amateurs.

Realistically, if you have a conscience, £1,500 if you tell the buyers what you've said on here.

 

[annunziata]

OMG dont sell her I love her

I would say 8K

but please dont sell her!

 

[kanter]

Based on the information supplied I would say around £3k - £4k.

I have not read your previous posts, so I don't know exactly how 'difficult' she is. She doesn't sound suitable for an amateur, but I don't think you will get a professional rider interested in her other than to sort out and sell on, unless she is super talented. For most riders, temperament is all. If she had proved herself more as a competition horse, you might get someone that is prepared to 'forgive' some of her less desirable traits.

She looks lovely by the way.

 

[BBH]

She is certainly good looking and no doubt has ability. I think the problem is that most riders be it amateurs or professionals just want to get on and ride, they don't want battles etc as its not fun for the amateur and not productive for the professional.

Based on what you've said I think no more than £3k for someone who is prepared to take the risk and hope she comes good. Someone mentioned breeding but it doesn't sound as if her temperament is worth passing on down the line.

Sounds harsh I know but I have one of these good looking but tricky sorts and I would never consider something like him again.

 

[Shilasdair]

Although I think your horses are all beautiful, I'd have to agree with KVS and Kanter regarding her behaviour.
I think this is the same girl you have come off quite a few times, have had schooled professionally, put on Regumate, and recently broke your wrist on?
If you did sell her for lots of money, without revealing her true nature, then you could well be sued if something unfortunate happened; under the Sale of Goods Act, the product (horse) sold has to be fit for purpose, or of 'merchantable quality'. It wouldn't be hard for a disgruntled vendor to get evidence that you knew the horse was more than 'difficult'

Sorry, I do think she is beautiful, and sympathise with you in this awkward situation.
S

 

[MotherOfChickens]

thats the problem with posting all about your horses on a forum. I found out that a horse that I was interested had recurrent lameness problems just by googling her stable name and registered name.
she's a stunning mare but knowing her history I cant say she'd be worth more than a couple of grand and you'd have to be very careful who took her on.

 

[carthorse]

Difficult temperament horses are very hard to sell. We had one and paid quite a lot of money for him. He broke my daughter's leg , we spent a fortune with the vet but eventually part exchanged him with a dealer. We lost a lot of money but the replacemant horse had a lovely temperament.
The original horse was turned away but started to lose weight , he in fact had liver problems which were never diagnosed.
I would rather have a good temperament and less ability anyday

 

[arwenplusone]

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Noooooooo!!

I *love* your mare

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Not sure I am selling her atm - but thinking about it

 

[arwenplusone]

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Erm, I'd like to say this tactfully but I'm rubbish at that so I'll just say what I'm thinking and let you explain where you're coming from.

From what you have posted previously, this mare is not just "difficult", she's dangerous. If you've decided to sell I gather she's not cured you've just decided she could still do a job for the right rider. I'm a competant confident rider who knowingly took on a difficult horse for a reduced competition horse price, but not problem horse money, and found the horse was not difficult but dangerous due to under-lying complicated physical problems. Sorry but there is a world of difference between tricky/not for a novice and dangerous. A horse that floors you twelve times in a month isn't just tricky and you look and sound like as capable or better a rider as most amateurs.

Realistically, if you have a conscience, £1,500 if you tell the buyers what you've said on here.

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Don't worry about the tact - I posted on here a how much because I KNOW that pretty much most people who will reply knows her history from what I have posted previously. (hence why difficult was in inverted commas!)

I have no intention of selling her without vetting the rider & being sure that he/she knows what this mare is like. I don't want anything on my conscience!
She actually has more respect for the male pro rider than she does for me (not unsurprisingly)- I am looking for that sort of a home for her. For someone who can work with her she will behave herself (so my instructor believes).

She has NO physical problems she just has an exceptionally difficult/awkward temperament. That I don't seem to be able to work with.
IMO she's worth more than £1500 you state but less than the £5 - £6k other people are stating at face value.

I find it VERY difficult to price her because of this.

ETA - Sorry for late replies - just been in the dullest meeting in the world. Shilasdair, yes this is the same girl so you see where I am coming from.

I agree with you about the sueing but I'm more worried about knowingly selling a horse on like this.
My ideal thought would be to sell her to the pro rider who has her at the moment - since he knows her warts & all. And likes her!

 

[arwenplusone]

I should also say that she is actually a lot better than she was at the beginning of the year when she was flooring me a lot!

Initially she had a hormonal issue (which is 100%sorted now) BUT she basically learnt during this time that she was stronger and more willful than me (something you don't really want any horse to learn). She now uses this to her advantage. I think there is a large element of she & I just not working well together, which is what is making me think about selling her in the first place. I will probably never own another horse as talented as this in my life. But it is no good if I can't get her to work with me.

 

[kate081]

Me too. She is nice looking though. Sounds like there could be some underlying problem here too. If only they could talk...!

 

[Shilasdair]

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Shilasdair, yes this is the same girl so you see where I am coming from.

I agree with you about the sueing but I'm more worried about knowingly selling a horse on like this.
My ideal thought would be to sell her to the pro rider who has her at the moment - since he knows her warts & all. And likes her!

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I wasn't for a moment suggesting that you would try to 'dupe' someone into buying her

but I do really sympathise with your dilemma. Often with these difficult horses, there is one perfect person for them, who they seem to behave (irritatingly) well for, and who seems to like them regardless of their quirks.
I hope you find a good owner for her.
I must admit I had similar issues with my old Tb mare for about 6 months when she was a 6yr old. I intended to sell her, but my father (helpful man) said if I did he would buy her and give her back to me...so I took his hint (he reckoned I broke it, so I ought to fix it, so I did

). It is worth saying though, that my horse only ever did passive resistance and rearing - I've only fallen off her twice.
S

 

[Weezy]

If you can find the right rider, I would take whatever they are willing to offer over £4k TBH. Fact is she is a mare, so has *another* job, is pretty, well put together and has obvious talent, good breeding, etc so she could make an exceptional broodmare, or she could produce clones of herself that find life one tough journey

Quite poss she will come right and be a superstar, and I do hope that is the case

 

[Twinkletoes]

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If you can find the right rider, I would take whatever they are willing to offer over £4k TBH. Fact is she is a mare, so has *another* job, is pretty, well put together and has obvious talent, good breeding, etc so she could make an exceptional broodmare, or she could produce clones of herself that find life one tough journey

Quite poss she will come right and be a superstar, and I do hope that is the case

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I hope so too. Good luck with whatever you decide.