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has anyone any thoughts on the saliva test v a blood test for tapeworm? I've read the very informative and interesting thread on here from Sept 2014 but I wasn't sure if anything had moved on since then 
Tape worm testing - saliva test?
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Borderreiver
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'The original [tapeworm] blood test was validated against 72 horses at post mortem. EquiSal test has been validated against 104 horses at post mortem. The key piece of information is that more than enough horses were used in the validation to ensure the results obtained are statistically significant and accurate.'
What do you mean by 'moved on' exactly? This is a great test, well validated and developed by good scientists who are also horse people. Use with confidence, I do with mine.
What do you mean by 'moved on' exactly? This is a great test, well validated and developed by good scientists who are also horse people. Use with confidence, I do with mine.
Wishful
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Having seen the paper I'm not convinced - lots of flaws in the process on critical analysis - OH amused himself ripping the paper to shreds while recuperating from a broken arm. Think Elisa testing in general isn't that accurate (specificity and sensitivity both not amazing).
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'The original [tapeworm] blood test was validated against 72 horses at post mortem. EquiSal test has been validated against 104 horses at post mortem. The key piece of information is that more than enough horses were used in the validation to ensure the results obtained are statistically significant and accurate.'
What do you mean by 'moved on' exactly? This is a great test, well validated and developed by good scientists who are also horse people. Use with confidence, I do with mine.
Lol I thought you might comment BR - in the nicest possible way I hasten to add
When I said moved on I was really meaning further research, evidence or experiences of either test which would further validate the previous testing that has been done for both tests? I will say that I am a great fan of testing generally and of course I use Westgate
As you are 'here' can I be cheeky and ask you about my particular case? He is an 8YO TB who I've owned for 2 months, he was wormed with Equimax on 6th May as the yard required it but now I'd like to move to testing - when should I do the first FEC and tape worm test? If you'd rather not answer on here I'd quite understand & will give Westgate a ring instead
Borderreiver
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No problem
Congratulations on your new horse. He will be ready for a worm count now, bearing in mind that Equest Pramox is probably a better choice for worming a new horse, providing his condition is good. This would cover all stages of redworm, plus tapeworm, whereas Equimax covers most stages of redworm plus tapeworm. So hopefully he had a good programme before you got him and you will be covering encysted worms in the winter.
Worm count soon, and be guided by the result. Test for tapeworm in another 2-4 months time. I hope that helps.
Congratulations on your new horse. He will be ready for a worm count now, bearing in mind that Equest Pramox is probably a better choice for worming a new horse, providing his condition is good. This would cover all stages of redworm, plus tapeworm, whereas Equimax covers most stages of redworm plus tapeworm. So hopefully he had a good programme before you got him and you will be covering encysted worms in the winter.
Worm count soon, and be guided by the result. Test for tapeworm in another 2-4 months time. I hope that helps.
Mustaroo
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By way of introduction, I am a director and scientist at Austin Davis Biologics where we spent the last 4 years developing and testing the tapeworm saliva test.
The paper being referred to above has been accepted for publication by peer review in a veterinary journal subject to some minor changes. This demonstrates the quality of science and analysis of results, and is in line with all studies of this type. Frustratingly, the publication has been delayed as we need to wait for our patent filing to complete. The paper has been read by several leading parasitologists who have responded with good feedback, leading to further research opportunities with the Royal Veterinary College in one instance.
A growing number of vets stock the tapeworm kits for their clients - too many to list here but these vets include Rossdales Equine Hospital in Newmarket, Three Counties Equine Hospital and other equine clinics around the country. In addition, one of Holland's leading veterinary parasitologists now markets the test in The Netherlands and many of the vets in Denmark also stock the kits.
In terms of how research has moved on the veterinary consultant of Bransby Horses Rescue and Welfare carried out a small independent comparison of saliva testing verses current blood testing with great results. Statistical comparison of the two tests, using Pearsons correlation coefficient, showed strong positive correlation. Bransby Horses have since changed to using saliva testing and now endorse our test.
We have recently completed a pilot trial where we monitored horses every two weeks following worming for tapeworm. This provided good insight into salivary antibody response following worming as well as the tapeworm life cycle and paddock management.
Please feel free to request information our contact details are on the EquiSal website - we welcome any enquiries.
The paper being referred to above has been accepted for publication by peer review in a veterinary journal subject to some minor changes. This demonstrates the quality of science and analysis of results, and is in line with all studies of this type. Frustratingly, the publication has been delayed as we need to wait for our patent filing to complete. The paper has been read by several leading parasitologists who have responded with good feedback, leading to further research opportunities with the Royal Veterinary College in one instance.
A growing number of vets stock the tapeworm kits for their clients - too many to list here but these vets include Rossdales Equine Hospital in Newmarket, Three Counties Equine Hospital and other equine clinics around the country. In addition, one of Holland's leading veterinary parasitologists now markets the test in The Netherlands and many of the vets in Denmark also stock the kits.
In terms of how research has moved on the veterinary consultant of Bransby Horses Rescue and Welfare carried out a small independent comparison of saliva testing verses current blood testing with great results. Statistical comparison of the two tests, using Pearsons correlation coefficient, showed strong positive correlation. Bransby Horses have since changed to using saliva testing and now endorse our test.
We have recently completed a pilot trial where we monitored horses every two weeks following worming for tapeworm. This provided good insight into salivary antibody response following worming as well as the tapeworm life cycle and paddock management.
Please feel free to request information our contact details are on the EquiSal website - we welcome any enquiries.
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Congratulations on your new horse. He will be ready for a worm count now, bearing in mind that Equest Pramox is probably a better choice for worming a new horse, providing his condition is good. This would cover all stages of redworm, plus tapeworm, whereas Equimax covers most stages of redworm plus tapeworm. So hopefully he had a good programme before you got him and you will be covering encysted worms in the winter.
Worm count soon, and be guided by the result. Test for tapeworm in another 2-4 months time. I hope that helps.
Thanks very much, that is really appreciated
My worm count kit arrived yesterday (great service from Westgate as usual!) so I will send that off now - he was in pretty poor condition when I got him, and I am not convinced he has been regularly wormed, so it will be really interesting to see what results come back - fingers crossed there is nothing awful lurking!{97702}
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By way of introduction, I am a director and scientist at Austin Davis Biologics where we spent the last 4 years developing and testing the tapeworm saliva test.
The paper being referred to above has been accepted for publication by peer review in a veterinary journal subject to some minor changes. This demonstrates the quality of science and analysis of results, and is in line with all studies of this type. Frustratingly, the publication has been delayed as we need to wait for our patent filing to complete. The paper has been read by several leading parasitologists who have responded with good feedback, leading to further research opportunities with the Royal Veterinary College in one instance.
A growing number of vets stock the tapeworm kits for their clients - too many to list here but these vets include Rossdales Equine Hospital in Newmarket, Three Counties Equine Hospital and other equine clinics around the country. In addition, one of Holland's leading veterinary parasitologists now markets the test in The Netherlands and many of the vets in Denmark also stock the kits.
In terms of how research has moved on – the veterinary consultant of Bransby Horses Rescue and Welfare carried out a small independent comparison of saliva testing verses current blood testing with great results. Statistical comparison of the two tests, using Pearson’s correlation coefficient, showed strong positive correlation. Bransby Horses have since changed to using saliva testing and now endorse our test.
We have recently completed a pilot trial where we monitored horses every two weeks following worming for tapeworm. This provided good insight into salivary antibody response following worming as well as the tapeworm life cycle and paddock management.
Please feel free to request information – our contact details are on the EquiSal website - we welcome any enquiries.
Thanks very much for that information, very interesting
My vets are Three Counties Equine, so I shall go ahead with the saliva test in 2-4 months as recommended.Although this forum can be very frustrating sometimes, at other times - like this - it can be hugely helpful and useful