TB collapses when mounted

hillbilly

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Hi, you all seem very knowledgeable here, and I wonder if you could help me. I work for a lady who has bred quite a number of racing-pedigree TB's. There are quite a few youngsters to bring on. However, when I started the priority was a gelding called Harry, who had been off work due to back problems, but seemed fine and required bringing back into work. He is rising six. At three he was sent to a racing stable to be backed, with the intention that he be a light riding horse. Only four weeks later he was deemed ready, and brought back home. Apparently he had been galloped over hurdles not long after having a rider on board. He had back problems soon after arrival home, and was put out to grass.

After the lungeing and long-reining, it was decided he was fit enough to ride. Upon mounting he quivvered and sank, but recovered, I was hovering above the saddle, not sitting as such, and I rode him to the arena, where he improved. Subsequently he always had to be restrained at mounting, and would resent it, but work well as he warmed, taking a nice outline. However, canter work was an absolute no-no, and he was resistant to any lateral movement on one rein. Ocassionally there were mini-bucks.

In the stable he became increasingly unhappy, the muscles in his quaters so tense you could see their outlines, and banging his back legs against the corner of the stable.

Then he suddenly Dropped like a stone on mounting. Boss said it was evasion. So I rode him and he felt unlevel. Never has a horse been so happy when turned for home. The second time he dropped, and stayed down for a couple of minutes. I refused to ride him further, I think it is cruel. If you place the palm of your hand on his back, at the mid -point of where the saddle would go, and press down, you can drop him in the stable. Likewise when tightening a roller or sircingle. My boss will not pay for x-rays, and thinks he could be worked on bute. I won't do it!

He plays in the field, canters, rears and rolls and looks fine, showing quite a flashy trot. However, on leaving his stable, he often trips over the threshold bar with his back legs. I am right in not riding him arent i? It isn't just evasion to the riders weight?
 
We had a horse that did this. Soon as you tightened the girth he went down on his knees. Had it investigated and he had kissing spines. Bless him he never bucked etc, just showed it this way.
 
The poor horse should not be being ridden, or poor you if you got hurt doing so. It sounds like he has real problems that have not been investigated at all, he may just need some good physio and proper rehab, or its more serious kissing spines or sacroiliac damage.
Being turned away will not have resolved an underlying problem, it may be easily treated but some investment must be made.

Why do people think its ok to work on bute when they have no idea what is wrong, its not fair on the horse or rider.
 
No you're entirely right not to ride him. He needs a vet asap. I have known some that can do it out of habit on mounting for a short time as memory of previous pain but his age & history make that unlikely. Also the fact he drops with a hand in the stable rings alarm bells.
 
Yes, that is my initial feeling - especially as he was jumped so young and is short backed. I am very fustrated, as my boss sees bute as an answer, which it is not. A proper x-ray and investigation is deemed too expensive, and she thinks another three months of lungeing will make everything right. Grrrr!
 
Yes, that is my initial feeling - especially as he was jumped so young and is short backed. I am very fustrated, as my boss sees bute as an answer, which it is not. A proper x-ray and investigation is deemed too expensive, and she thinks another three months of lungeing will make everything right. Grrrr!

I can understand that it may not be worth spending on vets yet but a physio will only be about £100 for 2 treatments, hardly a fortune, it may not be enough but is the best place to start.
 
I take it she won't listen to you? Is there anyone else you know who she might listen too? Or maybe engineer a situation where a professional she respects see's him? Such as a farrier, saddle fitter etc. If they say something it might convince her.
 
I cannot believe anyone would ask you to ride a horse showing these reactions. The poor horse is obviously in pain - possibly Kissing Spine. I would find it very difficult to work for someone like this!
 
poor horses could be many things at worse the dread kissing spines , time to start looking around for somewhere else hillbilly, people like that are so demoralising to work for.
 
Feel sorry for you as well as the horse!! poor thing.

My only suggestion, is when the horses are due to have their jabs, ask vet to take a look at him.

Perhaps, because of your concern for the horse, print out this thread and show the owner?

It doesn't sound right, no NORMAL horse would behave like this, horses react to pain... this is a reaction.
(without being too personal, I do take it you are not too heavy for him? - sorry!) Does the owner not ride the horse? Maybe she would feel something wrong if she did?

Not to mention the cost of that amount of bute for that long ££££?
 
Shocking. No horse will stay down unless they have very good reason to, they are prey animals and very vunerable when down.

Sounds more than a 'sore back' to me and in dire need of good veterinary attention.
 
No, you are not too personal fools motto! I am tall (5'10''), but like a daddy long legs, I weigh 10.5 stone, and he is a mature TB. The owner is 70, and needs sticks to walk, so unable to experience the 'sudden drop'!

Thank you everyone, you have strengthened my resolve and purpose and he shall be banished to field rest until she realises that spending a bit of money on an expert is the only way forward. She mumbled something about knowing a 'horse healer' - but I expect that is only because they are cheap! Sigh. My own horse is a sturdy grot of a Highland, and after a day working with her TB's with their miriad foibles and whimsies, I am very glad to have a hairy snuggle with him - an uncomplicated chap as long as he is fed regularly and allowed to gallop after our cows!
 
No, you are not too personal fools motto! I am tall (5'10''), but like a daddy long legs, I weigh 10.5 stone, and he is a mature TB. The owner is 70, and needs sticks to walk, so unable to experience the 'sudden drop'!

Thank you everyone, you have strengthened my resolve and purpose and he shall be banished to field rest until she realises that spending a bit of money on an expert is the only way forward. She mumbled something about knowing a 'horse healer' - but I expect that is only because they are cheap! Sigh. My own horse is a sturdy grot of a Highland, and after a day working with her TB's with their miriad foibles and whimsies, I am very glad to have a hairy snuggle with him - an uncomplicated chap as long as he is fed regularly and allowed to gallop after our cows!

I am relieved you are putting him in the field. I have seen somebody stuck under a fallen horse and it took 6 of us to get her out.
 
No, fortunately we bulldozed her into getting the vet to look at him - EVENTUALLY - he confirmed what we suspected and the horse was put out to grass. We proceeded to work his younger sister, she did Exactly the same, owner had a bit of a paddy, and suddenly we find they are booked in to be PTS!
 
Absolutely. It was the good option, once we had the diagnosis. It was just the initial refusal to think that anything other than a 'good dose of lungeing' and a gallop would sort it out that peed me off. I think we nearly got shown the door over our insistence for a vet, but I am glad we stuck to our guns.
 
We had a horse that did this. Soon as you tightened the girth he went down on his knees. Had it investigated and he had kissing spines. Bless him he never bucked etc, just showed it this way.

Get the vet to Xray the back

A friend if mine had one who did exactly the same, beginning at around the age of 13. Horse had raced successfully for years, transferred to riding horse very happily and was so good 11 year olds rode him regularly.
X ray showed severe kissing spine. Had operation, given all clear then 18 months later it all happened again. Horse now doing a fantastic nanny job and thankfully has a home for life as such.
 
When I first got my tb he would quiver & fall to the floor & lay down if his girth was done suddenly.. He was found to have stomach ulcers but this is a major pain/give up response whatever the cause is.
 
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