Teaching A Scared Horse To Lead

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Hi y'all!
So I have two miniature donkeys, and when I got them, they had very little training. Or at least, that's what I thought. As I worked with them, I learned that they had been very well trained once upon a time, but they have learned that they don't have to do what the hooman says, and that they are correct no matter what. We have worked past that, and they are now halter broke, and they come to me, they target my fist, they lift their hooves, I can pick their hooves out, they are pretty well desensitized to ropes and stuff like that swinging around them, they allow lots of weight to be on their back, and for me to fold over top of them and wiggle my arms around on them. But they will not lead! I have been working on it for a really long time now. And some days they are so great! They follow me so well, and they speed up when I do, and slow down when I do. When I start to move out, they are already waiting, and I hardly have any pressure on the halter to tell them to move out. So some days they are awesome! Then other days, they refuse to move. At. All. They will dig their heels in, and lean back, and good luck moving them. They weigh 320 and 340 pounds, so I can't really do much about it. I have tried like smacking their butts with the end of the lead, as I have pressure on the halter, but that doesn't seem to work. At all. I have also tried like, diagonal leading. So, making them transfer their weight before asking them to come forwards. That works but takes forever!!
So I dunno if they are scared, or what the heck they are doing. Do you guys have any tips? I can't seem to figure this one out. I am currently using a lot of different training techniques/styles, I mostly focus on +R, +P, -R, and reward-based equine clicker training. These methods have worked really well in the past for everything else they are learning, but not this. Any ideas? Thank you!!
 

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I had this problem with my horse! So changed head collars and got a slightly stronger one for the days he was stubborn! Sadly I’m pretty new to the horse works and gave even less experience with donkeys! Good luck though! I’m sure you will get some great advice on here xx
 

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Donkeys and mules are very different to horses, I would suggest a specialist in this area. Unsurprisingly, there are a lot of you tube videos about this issue in Mules.
 

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@Keira 8888, I don't have much experience with them either lol! Maybe I will purchase a rope halter for them, right now they have nylon halters, they aren't padded or anything, but I feel like the rope ones will 'bite' in more, and they won't be as likely to 'lean' into it.

@Fern007 Yeah, I have thought of that, maybe I will try it! Thank you!

@LEC, thank you! Maybe I will look some videos up, it's just hard cause I can't figure out why they would be good one day, and 'baad' the next!
 

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Hi y'all!
So I have two miniature donkeys, and when I got them, they had very little training. Or at least, that's what I thought. As I worked with them, I learned that they had been very well trained once upon a time, but they have learned that they don't have to do what the hooman says, and that they are correct no matter what. We have worked past that, and they are now halter broke, and they come to me, they target my fist, they lift their hooves, I can pick their hooves out, they are pretty well desensitized to ropes and stuff like that swinging around them, they allow lots of weight to be on their back, and for me to fold over top of them and wiggle my arms around on them. But they will not lead! I have been working on it for a really long time now. And some days they are so great! They follow me so well, and they speed up when I do, and slow down when I do. When I start to move out, they are already waiting, and I hardly have any pressure on the halter to tell them to move out. So some days they are awesome! Then other days, they refuse to move. At. All. They will dig their heels in, and lean back, and good luck moving them. They weigh 320 and 340 pounds, so I can't really do much about it. I have tried like smacking their butts with the end of the lead, as I have pressure on the halter, but that doesn't seem to work. At all. I have also tried like, diagonal leading. So, making them transfer their weight before asking them to come forwards. That works but takes forever!! iMessage on PC
So I dunno if they are scared, or what the heck they are doing. Do you guys have any tips? I can't seem to figure this one out. I am currently using a lot of different training techniques/styles, I mostly focus on +R, +P, -R, and reward-based equine clicker training. These methods have worked really well in the past for everything else they are learning, but not this. Any ideas? Thank you!!
I faced similar kind of issue last time, I am still searching for some proper solution Same issue still no fix to this.
 

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Given how good they *can* be, I think I would probably also suspect that they are just very stubborn and some days don't fancy doing what you want them to do. They don't sound scared to me. Having someone behind them sounds like a good idea - ultimately you need to train them out of their (unfortunately correct) belief that they don't actually need to do as they're asked. I also have zero idea about donkeys though - I would probably start by finding a reputable donkey rescue and giving them a call. They will be pros at incentivising donkeys to behave and might be able to offer some tried and tested tips. You say that the sideways method works but is very slow, can you persist with that? It should eventually get quicker as they give up faster! Training problems out of any animal is often painfully slow at first but it will get faster. It sounds to me like you're doing lots of the right things already.
 

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Would something like this help? we tend to use a separate rope around the bottom and then lead with one from the headcollar. If they refuse to walk on when asked, pressure from the rope round the bottom usually works. Although be prepared to move forward slightly quicker than usual the first couple of times you use this technique. :)
 

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Would something like this help? we tend to use a separate rope around the bottom and then lead with one from the headcollar. If they refuse to walk on when asked, pressure from the rope round the bottom usually works. Although be prepared to move forward slightly quicker than usual the first couple of times you use this technique. :)


this. A bum rope/rump rope makes it easy.
 
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