Thankyou Oberon, and the makers of Pro Hoof!

Ladyinred said:
Can I add another question to that? Why is laminitis so prevalent today when it was practically unheard of 30 years ago? The grazing hasn't changed, so what has?
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The explosion of feed companies producing rich feeds and supplements AND the introduction of the horse as a total couch potato........
 
And dairy farms being converted to livery yards rather than grazing that wasn't good enough for farming.
Too many horses on not enough space and owners turning to ryegrass as a quick fix as it's hard wearing and quick growing.

As least round here. I have a horse that's footy in herts but not in Devon.
 
OK, so if I were to go down the Fast Fibre route to give it a try (nothing to be lost in this just a different source of fibre), would it be OK to still feed the correct weight of Top Spec for his mineral requirements? I will of course be adding in the Pro Hoof once it arrives. He is also fed Total Eclipse from SS (Seawead, Brewers Yeast and Linseed).
 
Ladyinred said:
Can I add another question to that? Why is laminitis so prevalent today when it was practically unheard of 30 years ago? The grazing hasn't changed, so what has?
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I don't think it was practically unheard of 30 yrs ago, we had many ponies and a few arabs then and were always careful with their weight.
 
cptrayes said:
Why do horses need shoes?

1. Because grass gives them low grade laminitis and shoes cover it up.

2. Because most grazing land in Britain is not minerally balanced for horses.

Discuss :D ?
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Does Pro Hoof supply the minerals/vitamins lacking in grazing or should it be fed along side another supplement?

Dreckly, what are you feeding along side Fast Fibre?
 
nancie said:
Does Pro Hoof supply the minerals/vitamins lacking in grazing or should it be fed along side another supplement?

Dreckly, what are you feeding along side Fast Fibre?
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Pro Hoof is designed to compliment UK's grazing, which tends to be high in iron and manganese and low in copper and zinc. So Pro Hoof is lower in iron and manganese and higher in copper and zinc.

Alongside grass, forage, sunlight and internal bacteria - it will provide all most horses need.
 
Aww totally lovely thread :D

Thank you for advice I've had, directly or indirectly - I often read your posts as they are full of info for the shod or barefoot :D Thanks :D
 
Ladyinred said:
Can I add another question to that? Why is laminitis so prevalent today when it was practically unheard of 30 years ago? The grazing hasn't changed, so what has?
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I would argue that grazing HAS changed. A lot of equine grazing is highly fertilised with chemical fertilisers and grazed more itensively these days. Every farm around my area is a livery yard now, when even just 10 years ago, 90% of them were working farms with sheep and cows.. and perhaps the odd horse mooching about here or there.
 
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OK, so once the Pro Hoof has arrived I will wean him (slowly) over to fast fibre, although he is not getting much at the moment as there is ample grazing, and take everything else away and see what happens. Oberon, I have contacted that trimmer you suggested and am waiting a reply. He is already coping much better with his back shoes off, schooling is fine and our walks out in hand continue. Hoping to ride him out on roads this weekend to see what happens.
 
I also love the people who package the Pro Hoof as they always put sweets of some kind inside the bag! I feel like a kid on Xmas day morning wanting to know which kind of sweets Im going to get this time lol :D
 
I also want to thank Oberon and cptrayes, I've never started a 'hoof' thread, but have learnt a HUGE amount from reading their advise on lots of other threads.

I also want to thank Finn for such a lovely post, and after reading it I've just ordered some Pro Hoof from ebay as it sounds like it might just make the difference to one of my boys. I'll let you all know how he does on it! :):)
 
Finn said:
I also love the people who package the Pro Hoof as they always put sweets of some kind inside the bag! I feel like a kid on Xmas day morning wanting to know which kind of sweets Im going to get this time lol :D
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Be warned - after someone had the cheek to complain that they didn't receive a sweet in their delivery :eek:.....the maker threatened to start sending Fresh Orkney Air instead ;) :D
 
Can you give me any advice on thrush? I'm at my wits end... nothing seems to clear it up. I've been battling to get rid of it since before last winter, had several vets, 2 farriers, a barefoot man to look at horse, followed their advice and horse ( 5 yo tb ) still has thrush. He's currently stabled part of the time, clean dry bed etc, low sugar diet, been shod , been unshod... Just ordered some pro foot from e-bay. Already on micronised linseed. Used iodine, engermycin ( not sure on spelling for that ) on vets advice... Shop bought products. Currently sore on 3 feet, he's had lameness work ups... He has been treated for sarcoids on his girth too and 2 others elsewhere, girth ones need re-treating unfortunately. I do have vet out next week for sarcoids anyway, but their suggestions aren't working so far. Any advice?

His history being he was due to be exported to Germany at 18 months, had accident so stayed on the stud for another year to recover. Went to trainers yard to be broken and sent to tattersalls as 3 yo in training, suffered a mild suspensory injury and wasn't fit to go to sales so was chucked out. I've had him nearly 2 and a half years and he's done virtually nothing as had 18 months off to recover from ligament problem, had him scanned at beginning of year to bring into work, but sarcoids prevented that.
 
Mine had thrush but it wasn't severe, I scrubbed with Milton and then used hydrogen peroxide. I know some people say not to use,it but I did it once and no more stinky feet. I keep dilute Milton in a spray bottle and use that now and again.
 
evj - I swear by blue spray for thrush, It's designed for foot rot in sheep. Your vet should be able to get you some.

Oberon & Cyptres - another to say thank you! More by reading posts and Oberon by pm. My poor little mares hooves have many event lines, from moving yards, moving fields, then sudden illness (which she's still recovering from) but otherwise look very good and very sound.

Nancie - I struggled with storage and bulk buying so my.mare is on pure easy by pure feeds. It's a complete feed, order online and it turns up via parcel force. Just another to throw in for you to look at. I love fast fibre but my mare goes off a&p feed within a month. She too can't have any mollasses or alfalfa.
 
pinklilly said:
Can you give me any advice on thrush? I'm at my wits end... nothing seems to clear it up. I've been battling to get rid of it since before last winter, had several vets, 2 farriers, a barefoot man to look at horse, followed their advice and horse ( 5 yo tb ) still has thrush. He's currently stabled part of the time, clean dry bed etc, low sugar diet, been shod , been unshod... Just ordered some pro foot from e-bay. Already on micronised linseed. Used iodine, engermycin ( not sure on spelling for that ) on vets advice... Shop bought products. Currently sore on 3 feet, he's had lameness work ups... He has been treated for sarcoids on his girth too and 2 others elsewhere, girth ones need re-treating unfortunately. I do have vet out next week for sarcoids anyway, but their suggestions aren't working so far. Any advice?

His history being he was due to be exported to Germany at 18 months, had accident so stayed on the stud for another year to recover. Went to trainers yard to be broken and sent to tattersalls as 3 yo in training, suffered a mild suspensory injury and wasn't fit to go to sales so was chucked out. I've had him nearly 2 and a half years and he's done virtually nothing as had 18 months off to recover from ligament problem, had him scanned at beginning of year to bring into work, but sarcoids prevented that.
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Get some pics of her hooves and start a thread and we'll have a think about what to do.
 
Hi Guys

After reading all of the responses to my thread I have a quick question if someone can answer it for me.

My mare is on Brewers Yeast due to when I first got her 2 yrs ago she kept getting colic and tying up, had the vet out every time it happened and they ''suggested'' I put her on Brewers Yeast as hers was related to stress due to being with her previuos owner all her life then moving onto me. They said if this didnt work then they were going to have her in and scope her as it could also be Ulcer related. Apparently BY has a calming effect aswell as stuff in it for gut bacteria and hind gut ( cant remember exactly what he said now as it was 18 months ago lol) Anyway since being on it she hasnt tied up or had colic since so my question is does Pro Hoof have this ingredient in? If so shall I stop with the one I am adding and just stick to Pro Hoof or carry on adding both the Pro Hoof and Brewers Yeast?

I didnt want to stop with the Brewers Yeast and then her be poorly again if it wasnt one of the ingredients in the Pro Hoof.

Thanks guys

xxxx
 
To cptrayes and Oberon ..you have helped people you don't even know about. I pass on your advice to my friend and the horses have all benefited. So on behalf of my friend's four footed friends a big thank you. Long may your light shine through the darkness of ignorance and misinformation.
 
I too would like to say thanks! You can always guarantee a response from one of these HHOers to a barefoot problem. I doubt many people would have perservered with helping their horses to be happy barefoot without the support or knowledge on here (or Phoenix forum which is the other one I use)

Could I also hijack the thread slightly and ask whether it would be better to use ForagePlus summer balancer or ProHoof. I had my grazing analysed and I just needed to add linseed and some magnesium to the balancer. I do however add more brewers yeast for the older chap as he suffers sweetitch, and cinnamon for my mare who is a persistant fatty and I read it is good for metabolic problems and helping weight loss. I also add biotin to both as well. These are mixed into a base of straw/hay chaff plus a handful of kwik beet to moisten.
 
I was looking at the ingredients of pro hoof yesterday and it does contain Yea Sacc which would fulfil some of the same functions as Brewers Yeast but without knowing exactly how much it contains it is difficult to say if it is as much as you are feeding.

There is some overlap with some of the B vits and amino acids too.
 
The other option is to feed the progressive earth Pro Balance which has the same levels of zinc copper vit e magnesium etc as the Pro Hoof but not the yea sacc and carry on feeding the brewers yeast.
 
Finn said:
Hi Guys

After reading all of the responses to my thread I have a quick question if someone can answer it for me.

My mare is on Brewers Yeast due to when I first got her 2 yrs ago she kept getting colic and tying up, had the vet out every time it happened and they ''suggested'' I put her on Brewers Yeast as hers was related to stress due to being with her previuos owner all her life then moving onto me. They said if this didnt work then they were going to have her in and scope her as it could also be Ulcer related. Apparently BY has a calming effect aswell as stuff in it for gut bacteria and hind gut ( cant remember exactly what he said now as it was 18 months ago lol) Anyway since being on it she hasnt tied up or had colic since so my question is does Pro Hoof have this ingredient in? If so shall I stop with the one I am adding and just stick to Pro Hoof or carry on adding both the Pro Hoof and Brewers Yeast?

I didnt want to stop with the Brewers Yeast and then her be poorly again if it wasnt one of the ingredients in the Pro Hoof.

Thanks guys

xxxx
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Pro Hoof has yea sacc in, as criso says. Yea sacc is the live version of brewer's yeast, however they do not, as far as I'm aware, fulfil the same function. The yeast in brewer's yeast is dead, therefore although it is a good source of B vitamins and some trace minerals, it doesn't have the same gut calming effect as yea sacc, so I'm a little puzzled as to why it was recommended for colic. There should be no problem with feeding them side by side, though, so if it's worked so far... My guess would be that you wouldn't need it, but if you don't want to risk it then just keep feeding it.
 
Finn said:
Twostroke

Are you saying because shes on Pro Hoof now which contains Yea Sacc then she doesnt need the Brewers Yeast?
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That would be my guess.

But (always a but ;)) without knowing the precise reason for the colic and whether or not the brewer's yeast helped, or if it was a coincidence that she was ok whilst on it, then it's not possible to say for certain. Bit of a cop out, I know, but things are never black and white!

I would say that she'd probably be ok without it, but also that feeding both shouldn't cause any problems. For more info I'm sure if you emailed the makers of Pro Hoof they'd give you some advice :).
 
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