That's one fat horse........

teamsarazara said:
IMO nobody saying anything on here is going to help the situation, and I'd imagine the girl would be pretty upset to read this and hear you were all criticising her riding too, not everyone rides like Charlotte Dujardin.
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There was only one post commenting on riding, that post didn't single out the individual concerned, just said that some riding was terrible, and let's face it, if you are supposedly selling horses on in a professional capacity, you want them shown to be well ridden/schooled.

This is a forum, people are going to comment on issues like this when you put yourself or your business in the public domain.

The best solution is to present the horses and videos more professionally and avoid the situation to start with.
 
Could they not have at least run a brush over it before posting the ad? Some people have no idea how to present horses for sale which is strange, you'd think a dealer of all people would get this?!!
 
touchstone said:
There was only one post commenting on riding, that post didn't single out the individual concerned, just said that some riding was terrible, and let's face it, if you are supposedly selling horses on in a professional capacity, you want them shown to be well ridden/schooled.

This is a forum, people are going to comment on issues like this when you put yourself or your business in the public domain.

The best solution is to present the horses and videos more professionally and avoid the situation to start with.
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I agree with what you say here but my point is:- Has anyone, and there seems to be a lot of people who have vast experience on here, actually spoken/emailed/posted direct response to this dealer offering their advice?
I doubt this dealer will change their vocation in life just because of this forum but may be if educated and given some useful tips and help, it would be constructive in the well being of the horses......
 
Frankie doodle dandy said:
. Have you ever passed on your knowledge on training/weight control to her directly or commented on her YouTube post?
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There's a reason they blocked my youtube account ;) There's only so much you can do...

RutlandH2O said:
Rude!
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Yep, it was rude - but I thought the poster I said it to was rather condescending and rude not to have read the thread before making a rather obvious statement...
 
RutlandH2O said:
Actually, she's not mule-eared. The photo of her moving shows her ear in line with the apex of a house in the background. If you put your fingernail over that part of the house, her ears look quite normal.
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Oh yes! I see now! I am on my phone the picture is small :-) I don't know if I am as keen now, her ears are actually quite petite...
 
TandD said:
her horses are getting fatter....

has anyone bought a horse from them? id eventually like to get something for my mum...but just wonder if she is any good/reliable????
an obese horse can always be slimmed down!
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An obese horse, whether thinner later will always be a laminitis risk due to the change in metabolism that fat deposits produce.
 
I would love one of the heavy breeds but aside from the fact my farrier would disown me if I got one, I think i'd be scared if it ever had a hissy fit while i was leading it lol

Have absolutely nothing constructive to add except that I really like George and i have no idea why.
 
CobsGalore said:
Sorry, yes I understand that.

But say a horse was fat in the past but luckily never got lami, and then stayed slim, would it have a higher risk than another horse that had never been fat before?
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Yes - I meant that it wouldn't need to put the weight back on to have a recurrence - and it is more likely in a previously obese laminitic.
 
When I first bought my mare she was enourmously fat. But sound as a pound. Not the slightest bit footy. She was six years old then. With me she remained slim, except for one summer for a period of six weeks, when I'm ashamed to say I let her get fat. I had moved to a new yard with oodles of grazing and they were just setting up. No immediate facilities for restricting grazing. I was a little worried, but not terribly so as she was competing show jumping and dressage every week and only getting one day a week off work. And we were busy sorting the yard out (it belonged to a friend). I thought she was an athletic warmblood, and it was only a few weeks, so I didn't even consider lami. At that time (12 years ago) I still thought laminitis was something that mainly happened to ponies. She stayed sound, and was nice and slim for the remaining years I owned her. But she came down with Cushings related laminitis and EMS a year ago, and I do wonder if those two periods of transient obesity, were the cause of her current problems. Now I have to keep her thinner than I would like, and people have started to remark how ribby she looks, but the vet is happy with her weight and she is healthy and sound.
 
I am surprised more people do not who is running this operation, David Thomas and Dagmar Blick have this girl fronting things for them google their names and you will get the idea.

This is not their first company and are well known to trading standards.
 
I feel very sorry for all those horses as I imagine they will end up in novice homes with possibly little idea of how to look after them, and as people have said, if a problem ensues - eg horse gets a bit bossy when being led - owners may not be able to deal with the problem then you get the whole spiral of changing hands, or worse. Also I think it is a shame that some people make derogatory comments about these horses - they can't help the way they look and they are still horses with as much personality as far smarter looking versions.

I guess I am anthropomorphising a bit too as if i were a horse, I would be Clarissa!
 
tobiano said:
Also I think it is a shame that some people make derogatory comments about these horses - they can't help the way they look and they are still horses with as much personality as far smarter looking versions.
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Just for the record, I think she'd be lovely if she were half a tonne lighter (hyperbole? maybe...) and well trained by someone competent enough to instill manners on the ground and under saddle. I have no problem with the individual horses sold, just the manner in which they're produced for sale, and marketed.
 
Just a thought on the meat theory. If these horses were bred and prepared solely for the meat trade then surely they would be slaughtered as a 3/4yo? Clarissa (who I also really like!) is 11

I wouldn't fancy her standing on my toe though...
 
Tnavas said:
You do need to consider the breed type - This is a Belgian Ardennes horse - a heavy draft horse - they are heavily muscled, short and compact with heavy bone - they tend to always look fat.

Many of the heavier breeds look fat if you are used to a lighter type, their rib cages are often far more rounded and their legs shorter in comparison to the depth of the girth
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You are absolutely right T. I have a similar type of Draft horse - bought from a reputable source, and tbh, this one does not look particluarly fat to me. When unfit they do soon lose muscle tone but tone up again quite readily.
As you say, if you are not familiar with the type it is easy to misjudge them.
 
I'm with you, tobiano. Actually, Clarissa isn't nearly as overweight as some posters have made her out to be. Not only is the breed very broad, heavily boned and chunky, she's wearing a very heavy winter coat in those photos. The coloured horse called Sprite, is one fat horse. That being said, I wish all of those horses were well and truly placed in loving, caring homes away from their present situation.
 
""If your big beautiful novice and nervous these are for you. Our big daft stunning Belgium Draft horses will carry you with ease regardless of size, plus your partner and the kids. Yes all at once. If you’ve never seen this fantastic breed then you’re in for a treat as they are the most lovable gentle affectionate horses you’ll find. We import these directly from Europe and its fair to say they make our native Cob/shire type look positively anorexic and they have a nature to die for. All seven we have in stock are suitable for nervous/novice riders and all are fantastic for safe drama free hacking. All are sold on a full money 14-Day refundable trial see full terms on our website and all are open to vet or any other inspection. They range from 4 to 12 years old and 15.3 to 17 hands mares and geldings. Prices from £2000 to £3000 and we will always consider a sensible offer. We can deliver and even look at taking your old horse in part exchange. Sold without tack and not for loan.""

That's an awful lot of horse for a nervy novice to take on :eek: would put any argument about rider/horse weight ratios to bed though :cool:
 
TrasaM said:
""If your big beautiful novice and nervous these are for you. Our big daft stunning Belgium Draft horses will carry you with ease regardless of size, plus your partner and the kids. Yes all at once. If you’ve never seen this fantastic breed then you’re in for a treat as they are the most lovable gentle affectionate horses you’ll find. We import these directly from Europe and its fair to say they make our native Cob/shire type look positively anorexic and they have a nature to die for. All seven we have in stock are suitable for nervous/novice riders and all are fantastic for safe drama free hacking. All are sold on a full money 14-Day refundable trial see full terms on our website and all are open to vet or any other inspection. They range from 4 to 12 years old and 15.3 to 17 hands mares and geldings. Prices from £2000 to £3000 and we will always consider a sensible offer. We can deliver and even look at taking your old horse in part exchange. Sold without tack and not for loan.""

That's an awful lot of horse for a nervy novice to take on :eek: would put any argument about rider/horse weight ratios to bed though :cool:
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You are right, I bought mine from a novice man who had found her too strong. She had been sold to him as quiet and suitable for a novice but had been in pretty hard work in her previous, professional, home and took advantage as soon as she was able. Here, she understands the boundaries but has a naturally cheeky nature.
 
Pearlsasinger said:
You are right, I bought mine from a novice man who had found her too strong. She had been sold to him as quiet and suitable for a novice but had been in pretty hard work in her previous, professional, home and took advantage as soon as she was able. Here, she understands the boundaries but has a naturally cheeky nature.
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Very impressive horse's but don't think I'd want to wrestle with one:p A Trekking place I sometimes go to has a Brehon mare. She's not as big as the Belguims but still very Botticelli esque. Last time out she had a beginner on her and decided to lie down and roll in the sea :eek::D nothing he could do once she decided to have a wash lol.
 
Having lost a meat bred horse a year ago to an unexplained colic (vet thought there may have been an underlying problem, possibly liver), and knowing another that died in similar circumstances I would now be very wary - both fantastic horses though.

Meat bred horses are not bred for conformation, just money, they may well have been given terrible forage and have toxins building up in their livers. I adore heavies and would certainly consider one again, however I would spend the money and get a draft bred one from a reputable dealer.

I am disappointed that the sofa horses ears are not that big!
 
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