The 1,000 euro JR pup.

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I finally managed to photograph her today and thought you might be interested to see what 1'000 euros will buy you here in sunny Italy
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. She went home today but left me a house full of fleas
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.I have just spent 90 euros in Frontline Combo and 30 euros in gas canisters to defles my home
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.Did my friend offer to pay something.....? NO! Anyway-what do you think of Menta? By the way BCs are sold for around the same price here
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What a cute puppy - but 1,000 euros? I would not dream of paying that much for a JR
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And I would want mine to be docked too (awaits outrage about that....)
 
Very sweet, quite a price tag! From the length of her legs I would say she is possibly a Parson Jack Russell. Are they recognised by Italian KC? If this is the case, don't suppose she could be docked if its anything like our KC
 
I thought Parsons had a different type of head to that? But yes totally agree if it is a PJR then it wouldnt be docked...
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Not outrage, just curiosity. I don't understand much about the why's & wherefores of docking certain breeds of dogs.

Could you tell me why you'd want it docked & why it's done in the mainstream? Pretty please!
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I have been told a teeny bit about why Spaniels are docked but not sure if it was mis-information.
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And I would want mine to be docked too (awaits outrage about that....)

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Not outrage, just curiosity. I don't understand much about the why's & wherefores of docking certain breeds of dogs.

Could you tell me why you'd want it docked & why it's done in the mainstream? Pretty please!
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I have been told a teeny bit about why Spaniels are docked but not sure if it was mis-information.
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My understanding is that dogs were originally docked because they were working animals which went into situations where they could easily split and damage their tails - for example spaniels and terriers pushing their way through thick undergrowth. Having had a whippet which split its tail once by wagging it against a door frame I know how much damage can be done, and how much they bleed!

The real outrage will come when I say that I would want a JR terrier docked because I think they CAN look plain ugly with tails on - like Boxers, Hungarian Vizlas etc which were always docked and now are not.

I do not expect anyone to support this view, it is one very personal to me, but it is one which I will always have. For me docking a dog is no more traumatic than dew clawing it as a tiny puppy.

As an aside I now have rescue greyhounds and lurchers which have not been dew clawed and they rip their dew claws out very regularly, which is horrible for them, so I would ALWAYS have it done.
 

Yep, can see the sense now for a working dog. That was sort of what was said to me but not so clearly.

I can see your point on having some breeds docked purely for aesthetic reasons but I'm not sure it's what I'd do personally. I know that sounds very contradictory though!

I suppose it is because I can't really see what use a dog's tail is to it in some cases
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Whereas with a horse it has an obvious use.

Anyway, thanks for that Acolyte
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A dogs tail is used for balance, watch a galloping greyhound and see how it uses it's tail. It is also used to express itself.

BTW I have open views on docking, I have a docked boxer and a lab with a tail.
 
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And I would want mine to be docked too (awaits outrage about that....)

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Not outrage, just curiosity. I don't understand much about the why's & wherefores of docking certain breeds of dogs.

Could you tell me why you'd want it docked & why it's done in the mainstream? Pretty please!
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I have been told a teeny bit about why Spaniels are docked but not sure if it was mis-information.
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I was always lead to believe terrier are docked as an aid to pull them back out from holes when set down for badgers, e,t,c like a handle so to speak...at the stronger thicker part of the tail aswell as the damage factor.

not sure though...just what I have heard from time to time.
 
We had a friend who was a terrier man. He maintained that a JRs tail should be docked to the length a mans fist could hold, to enable you to get a good grip to pull them out of a hole! I have had a JR pup (only 1 in litter) docked at 3 days old and have to say it made no more fuss than GSDs having their back dew claws done, couple of squeaks then back feeding from mum. I have to admit I do think JRs look strange with tails, but so do Rotties, Boxers etc, guess its just something we have to get used to.
 
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We had a friend who was a terrier man. He maintained that a JRs tail should be docked to the length a mans fist could hold, to enable you to get a good grip to pull them out of a hole! I have had a JR pup (only 1 in litter) docked at 3 days old and have to say it made no more fuss than GSDs having their back dew claws done, couple of squeaks then back feeding from mum. I have to admit I do think JRs look strange with tails, but so do Rotties, Boxers etc, guess its just something we have to get used to.

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Spot on! We had our patterdales docked as it is still legal of you can prove they are intended for working but have to be done by 3 days old, law is a bit of a mockery really cos at 3 days old most people won't have them sold so won't know if the are for working or pet. Most of our litters went to pet homes but pet owners don't mind if they are docked where as a working home will not buy an undocked pup!!

Actually Vislas like pointers are used as gun dogs so like spaniels they have a good reason for being docked, and is still legal for them.
But not for Rotties, Boxers etc.

The pup is very cute, does look like it maybe a Parson type so if its from KC winning stock then I suppose it would be worth the 1000 Euros!! I think I am right in thinking if it is a show dog then you can't get is docked as it will be shown where public may pay an entrance fee... or somthing like that!! (But I assume the 'Working group' wouldn't be included in that though!) Our patterdales fetched £250 per pup easily and I've seen them for upto £400 and they aren't even recognised by the KC!!
 
I think Rotts look ok with tails because they're quite thick all the way down whereas Dobes have whippy tails that don't look so nice imo. I'd rather dock my JRs and could still do it (legally too) but not sure I can be bothered with the hassle of it all.

Acolyte: I have Hungarian Wirehaired Vizslas and to be honest wasn't looking forward to seeing them undocked. However, with them only having a 3rd docked off they don't look ugly at all. Infact you barely notice.

Back to OP she's a lovely little JR
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I think Rotts look ok with tails because they're quite thick all the way down whereas Dobes have whippy tails that don't look so nice imo. I'd rather dock my JRs and could still do it (legally too) but not sure I can be bothered with the hassle of it all.

Acolyte: I have Hungarian Wirehaired Vizslas and to be honest wasn't looking forward to seeing them undocked. However, with them only having a 3rd docked off they don't look ugly at all. Infact you barely notice.

Back to OP she's a lovely little JR
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Perhaps Vizslas were not the right example to use - but I couldnt spell Wiemeraner
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Oh, and I still cant spell it by the look of it
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TBH I have a fundamental objection to the docking ban being brought in, as I do not believe it is cruel to dock as I have said above, but the majority obviously disagree with that point of view or it would not have been introduced!
 
Lovely looking dog but no way would I ever pay that much for a JR. Suppose different breeds fetch different prices depending on where in the world you are as well though.

On tail docking, if its done by a vet then I can see no problem with it at all. In fact, having had a undocked spaniel that split its tail the mess and the pain is really not nice. A little squeek at 3 days old is much less painful in my opinion.

However, the ban has cracked down on people docking themselves which is where the issues are, don't think there were really that many opposed to docking by a vet (though I may be wrong there)
 
i never have and probably never will get used to the sight of a rottie with a tail
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that said i drove miles and miles to get our springers with tails!
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Par for the course I think. You won't get much change out of 1,000 euros for a half decent Border Terrier here in southern Germany. That is, of course, if you can find a breeder. These dogs are rarer than hens teeth.
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Makes our lad, who's 10 in October a positive bargain at 150 quid, back in early 2006.
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i like dogs to have all the tail they were born with
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Ditto. I don't think I would ever buy a dog with a docked tail.
 
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i like dogs to have all the tail they were born with
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Ditto. I don't think I would ever buy a dog with a docked tail.

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Fair enough as Im guessing you don't need a dog to have a docked tail. However all ours (except the irish water spaniel) have docked tails. They all work and would have their tails ripped to shreds by the brambles if they weren't docked.
The oldest has quite a long dock and he still damages his, it gets extremey messy during the working season, however the others with short dock have never had a problem.
Ive been around puppies being docked, and they hardly notice, especially when you compared it with a friends weimeraner that badly damaged its tail and had to have it amputated. It felt that for weeks.
Incidently the Irish Water Spaniel doesn't have a docked tail as that breed isn't supposed to, being bred to ork through bogs and not brambles.
Being docked doesnt affect our dogs balance either!
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They still manage to express being happy too, you've never seen such waggy dogs!!
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we all have our own preferances don't we?

used to have a mastiff with a tail so short she couldn't cover up her lady bits with it, what's the excuse for that?

and a JR with a docked tail who never went near a rabbit hole or any brambles.

why do they do it widespread when most of the working dog breeds never get near to working?
 
I have no problem with it for working dogs, because it serves an important purpose - but I would not ever need a working dog, and I simply don't like the look of it. Even aside from that, I don't believe in amputating bits of animals simply for aesthetic reasons, only if it is for the benefit of the dog.
 
A someone said earlier, puppies have to be docked by 3 days old, you cant know then who will buy your puppy, but if your puppies are bred for working you want them docked. Someone buying for working will not buy a dog with a full tail, but someone buying for a pet might buy a docked puppy.

Breeds that are supposed to be docked are not bred to have nice tails, so yo can end up with very long whippy tails. Mix that with brambles and you have a recipe for disaster!

You JR may not have gone near brambles or rabbbit holes, but the breeder can't dock the puppies to specific order, if thats what they were bred for, then they would have been docked, for their own good as much as anything aesthetical.

I've never seen a docked mastiff, that must of looked ridiculous!
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All the ones Ive known have had lovely tails, thick and fairly short, but certainly not docked, I didnt know they were supposed to be!
 
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why do they do it widespread when most of the working dog breeds never get near to working?

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See my previous post... law states that it must be done by 3 days old, (Which is right as they are still so little it doesn't hurt them more than a little squeak!) most people don't have all the pups sold by that age and therfore the breeder won't know which ones are going to a pet home and which will be worked!! So has to make the decision. We got ours docked as pet owners don't mind if they are or aren't docked usually but someone who wants to work it will refuse an undocked pup!
 
still not making a lot of sense to me
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it was imported from italy - she had docked ears too. not nice at all.
made her look fierce though.

we got her from someone who'd imported her to breed but she wasn't having any of it. she was a fantastic natured soul and a great family pet.
always made me sad to see her with bits chopped off her lovely person
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But you could argue that dog breeds which were originally bred to be docked could have a ridiculouly long and whippy tail, as they have never been bred for their tails. Tails that long get very easily damaged, the dog I know that had to have their tail amputated, damaged it by splitting it open on a coffee table. It was very distressing for the owner and the dog, it was a major operation.
Therefore until the tails are short through breeding, docking the dog is for its own good. Im not talking about all breeds, just breeds that are bred to be docked. Other breeds have their tails for a reason, and therefore have been selectively bred for that tail (among other attributes!!)
I know that is not a great argument, many undocked dogs cope fine, Im just trying to suggest why people might want their dogs docked.
At the end of the day, each to their own, as long as proper working dogs can continue to be docked, I have no problems with people wanting undocked dogs.
 
Well, I don't know what dogs 'need' to be docked, even if pets, but in that case it would fit with my opinion that it is okay "as long as it is the best thing for the dog." However as I say, its my personal preference that I would never get a dog with a docked tail, just don't like the look of it.
 
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she had docked ears too. not nice at all.
made her look fierce though

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Cropped ears are something I never like to see, although thats the exact reason they are done, to make them look fierce.

We had a litter of cockers, all were docked at three days old as they were bred to work, a working dog with a long tail is going to have serious problems with damage to its tail, and we wanted them all to go to working homes. However when they were sold, many homes were taking them as pets, we did not advertise them as pets but thats who wanted them and they all went to fantastic homes.
If we had know at 3 days which ones could be left undocked, we could have left them, however at that point we had wanted them to go to working homes, which requires them to be docked.
 
my girls are docked (boxers) but the next litter wont be...

its odd seeing them with tails as they are whippy and there is more chance of them breaking etc

but hey ho the KC has stupid rules sometimes but im not prepared to get prosecuted or docking..

and cant say my lot are working stock....
 
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