The annual stallion search

I am sure I will be shot down in flames but somebody has a very bad reputation wherever he goes because everyone can respect other peoples opinions except the person that started this debate. He seems to get the same responses from the US based forums, I think that someone who has been in the breeding industry for such a relativily short time should be quiet down and listen to people and learn instead of spouting out a load of rubbish or something someone else has told him. Stop being such a bully and using such an aggressive behaviour and I think before initiating chats which actually have no substance he should spend a little more time listening and learning. - Sorry everyone else but I had to say it
 
Hmmm but in Europe they do use young stallions, only a few people in the UK got Hotline semen the first year he was available because they were inundated with people using him in Germany and Holland (not sure about France
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) and there has been the same happen with many other newly licensed stallions and from what i gather the same will happen in 09, so yes they are taking gamble on these younger horses but that is ok for them to do it is Ken, just not on if we do??
 
You wont be shot down in flames at all Lyn. Ken is a constant source of humour on this forum. He has joined under so many aliases (is that the plural of alias?? or should it be aliai
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His comments do rile a lot of us though, as you can tell by the responses to this thread. But I think he enjoys S**t stirring and of course he is only trying to promote the stallions he sells/did sell semen for
 
But I think he enjoys S**t stirring and of course he is only trying to promote the stallions he sells/did sell semen for

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So that's what it is. I did wonder what the initial point of the post was. Stupid me, I thought he just enjoyed trying to challenge and upset women.
 
if he is trying to promote his own stallions and those he sells semen for, he is going completely the wrong way about it. People who read his rude and antagonistic comments towards British breeders are then unlikely to use him as an agent in person. It is the strangest form of ad promotion I have ever seen
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You know, funnily enough someone asked me a couple of weeks ago to suggest stallions for a very nice mare. Despite one that Ken is an agent for coming to mind, I didn't suggest him, purely because of the unprofessional manner that he has shown - I'd be embarrassed to send a friend his way, so it's losing him business. Yes he promotes some good stallions, but he hasn't a monopoly on good ones.
 
we all keep talking about Europe have the best we must follow out of all the foals born each year ?? how many make it to the top?? id say a Small portion considering how many they churn out although i listen to more experienced people that me and take on board what they have said at the end of the day i will make my desicions on who i use on my mares because no body knows more about my mares than me! i will use next year a mixture of gambling "young horses" and proven horses as the young unproven horses all started somewhere i just wish i could have got the likes of Clinton, Cornet Oblensky,Cumano Cassini I ect when they were 3year olds starting out id be a very happy rich person!! every young stallion has to start somewhere and if you can read the market ahead i think personally its a better way of doing it when you see them rise up the ranks.
 
Interestingly my stallion would never have been born if I hadnt taken a punt on a three year old colt called Krisinsky. Mandy Masseralla offered him to me before he was even graded as I was hanging my nose over him. The result was Weston Miskris who went on to have an amazing three day career taking a 16 year old girl further than she dreamt at that age.
Young stallions dont always come of quite like that but neither do proven with big price tags!
 
Sorry you have all lost me. I am a newcomer to this forum. Who is Ken? Why is there so much agro? Three years ago I spent a fortune on stud fees and expensive AI for two mare both of whom failed to conceive. That is why I have bought one stallion and bred another.

My three year old has no foals on the ground yet and the other is still a baby BUT I have no doubt they will both produce quality offspring.

I hope I may one day produce a top class horse, but I am retired and breeding in a small way is my hobby. It gives me great pleasure.

I know lots of people who breed for the same reason. If it is not a source of income, are they less likely to produce decent quality offspring because they breed only once or twice, than those for whom it is the main income stream?

We bought this small farm from a French couple who produced top class show jumpers for clients. They told me France is full of poor quality horses because for all sorts of tax reasons 'elevage' is a good way of supporting your main income.
 
Thanks Volatis for the reassurance , it just annoys me as I find his comments and the way he works no good for anyone. I have just learnt a new lesson and that is stallion owners or agents alike I certainly would never use someone that is so full of their own self importance! Please Ken do tell me if you are out there how many horses have you personally bred that have achieved in sport or breeding? you seem to have such a strong opinion that the way you breed works so well.
 
Rollin, Ken is a semen agent and also owns a stud in France. He has been banned from this forum for advertising the stallions he represents and for general s**t stirring. He has since cme back under a number of different alias and is always discvoered due to the attitude and manner of posting. He always denys it is him of course, but the alias will never say who they are in reality and then disappear, to be replaced by a different one.
 
They never actually give any details of what they have achieved either. We only have their word that they are breeding from these super duper mares, & breeding Olympic quality horses. No idea how many horses they have breed & their achievements, but we are meant to bow down to their snipping at our dumb way of breeding. And comments like why are we using unproven young stallions & suggest we in the UK should be using the proven sires, is not going to help mend the rift. That comment I think just about summed it up. I would like Ken to explain to me if Europe are improving all the time in their breeding then surely the sons are exactly that an improvement on their sires, especially if they have passed their own gradings. I for one like to see the stallion in the flesh, videos, photos etc are not enough. I would not though for one minute question others for doing just that, picking their stallion from a video. Ken may again not have meant to set the cat amongst the pigeons & I have in the past always given him the benefit, but to come yet again & slate people for their way of doing things is just stupid. And Ken you can tell me all you like that breeding is not a gamble or a lottery, but I have been around long enough, seen enough foals born, to tell you that it is exactly that. All you are talking about is reducing the odds. It is a gamble because there are too many variants in breeding right from when the stallion has been chosen. How many times do you have to look at full siblings to know that. If you had not again talked down to us, to treat us like numpties, then this post would not have gone down the route it did.
 
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Rollin, Ken is a semen agent and also owns a stud in France. He has been banned from this forum for advertising the stallions he represents and for general s**t stirring. He has since cme back under a number of different alias and is always discvoered due to the attitude and manner of posting. He always denys it is him of course, but the alias will never say who they are in reality and then disappear, to be replaced by a different one.

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thanks for that, i too was a bit lost there!!
 
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They never actually give any details of what they have achieved either. We only have their word that they are breeding from these super duper mares, & breeding Olympic quality horses.

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Link to rankings.
http://www.wbfsh.com/?GB/Rankings.aspx

You only have to search the rankings in the link above to see that breeding from quality achieves success.
Jumping dressage and Eventing rankings are all listed and in the main parents are shown, very few horses in the top flight are of unknown breeding.

It all depends on what you are aiming to breed of course but surely if you are hoping to breed a possible future international class horse then to start with one of the proven sires listed here must give you an advantage.
 
Aredis, I think magic is refering to the Ken clones who all claim to be breeding these fabulous international horses, but cant actually name one.

We all know about the wbfsh rankings and the horses listed on there, but they weren't bred by these mystery posters
 
Aredis, I think magic is refering to the Ken clones who all claim to be breeding these fabulous international horses, but cant actually name one.

Thanks Volatis, that is exactly what I meant, but then you have been on here long enough to know where I was coming from. Thanks again
 
Thanks for the info re Ken. as you know I live in France and I love love it. BUT I am an enthusiast for British Breeding and am rather sad that so many European horses are imported to the UK.

I get even madder when I see the protectionist behaviour of French National Stud. That is - insisting that all imported horses are registered in French Stud book; charging 110 euors for registration when a passport for a French bred horse costs just 42 euros and MOST disgraceful depriving many British breeds of their pedigree status. Insisting that all horses born in France have passports issued by them and then of course issuing passports stating this horse is NOT pedigree.

The EU Commission sent a letter to all Chief Vets in September saying basically 'you can't do that'. This has not been conveyed to French vets.

For this reason if for no other I would NEVER buy semen from a French agent.
 
rollin, this is a sincere question I am about to ask.

Why do people obey these rules? They are unjust, violate the spirit if not the letter of EU law, are protectionist, etc.

Do some breeders commit civil disobedience and ignore these rules and register with whatever studbook they want, be it the KWPN, BWP, AES, IHB, etc. that have more liberal policies?

I have seen other postings about the HN's approach but I have never understood why people obey.
 
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