The Avon Vale have comprehensively "shot their fox"

[Judgemental]

After rewatching the footage and hearing evidence from the joint masters, acting chairman and kennel huntsman of the Avon Vale group, the panel found that - on the balance of probabilities - there had been "serious breaches" of the association's rules.

• A BHSA spokesman said: "On reaching their conclusions, the panel indicated that, in view of the nature of the conduct found to have occurred, they were minded permanently to expel the hunt and its masters, huntsman, and kennel huntsman from membership of the BHSA.
  
  
  "This would mean that, in all probability, the hunt would no longer be able to function."But this decision is not yet final. The hunt's members have 14 days to make any further representations in relation to their potential ban and any other sanctions the panel intends to impose. After the footage obtained by ITV News was broadcast and shared on social media, the Avon Vale Hunt was suspended from all hunting activities and from its membership. On the day after the hearing, Wiltshire Police arrested three men - a 29-year-old man from Lacock, a 38-year old man from Bromham, and a 35-year-old man from Devizes - on suspicion of three wildlife-related offences.

A custodial sentence and a fine of a least £10,000.00 for all parties involved. Perhaps that will teach folk to obey the law!

 

[AmyMay]

And, a fourth thread on the same subject……

 

[Judgemental]

Are you implying that because several folk are reporting this scandalous and illegal conduct they should not have the temerity to comment? Or are you one of these people who would like to cover up wrongdoing by a hunt?

 

[AmyMay]

Are you implying that because several folk are reporting this scandalous and illegal conduct they should not have the temerity to comment? Or are you one of these people who would like to cover up wrongdoing by a hunt?

Oh bog off.

We simply don’t need four threads on the same subject.

 

[ester]

Nah just that it makes sense that one checks the forum first before posting a new thread about a news story that didn’t come out today …

 

[ester]

Oh and the usual response to someone saying there’s already a thread is to say thanks I didn’t realise and pootle off to said thread

 

[Judgemental]

In a democratic world, everybody's opinion and presentation are important, indeed it would appear mine are rather erudite compared with others.

 

[AmyMay]

In a democratic world, everybody's opinion and presentation are important,

Indeed. But let’s keep it to one post.

 

[The Xmas Furry]

In a democratic world, everybody's opinion and presentation are important, indeed it would appear mine are rather erudite compared with others.

No, but blundering in, posting exactly what has already been posted yesterday - without checking first - then responding in your usual brusque high handed manner, is rather self important sweetie.....

 

[Boy Tom]

In the defence of Judgemental, at least one of the other threads which covers the same topic is in The Tack Room where it may well have been missed. I only found it by chance.

To their credit, those in authority have acted quickly and decisively …. yet again it seems that Hunting is it's own worst enemy. The Law may well be ridiculous, but it IS the Law.

 

[ycbm]

In the defence of Judgemental, at least one of the other threads which covers the same topic is in The Tack Room where it may well have been missed. I only found it by chance.

To their credit, those in authority have acted quickly and decisively …. yet again it seems that Hunting is it's own worst enemy. The Law may well be ridiculous, but it IS the Law.

And the other is in the Hunting thread! It isn't likely to be missed by anyone who cares in Tack Room and Hunting.
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[ester]

and a search option exists

 

[Judgemental]

In the defence of Judgemental, at least one of the other threads which covers the same topic is in The Tack Room where it may well have been missed. I only found it by chance.

To their credit, those in authority have acted quickly and decisively …. yet again it seems that Hunting is it's own worst enemy. The Law may well be ridiculous, but it IS the Law.

Quite. Let's be totally clear and transparent just about every hunt in the UK was either breaking the law or sailing very close to the wind, so this comes as a timely reminder. The major estates are all now telling hunts, they have to follow prescribed trails, mapped out in writing and signed by all the masters and officials. The fundamental problem with hunting in the context of the Hunting Act is that the majority of followers believe they are overly entitled and above the law. Coupled with a vain glorious sense of their own self-importance.

 

[SantaVera]

The more threads on this subject the better as far as I'm concerned, keep it in the public eye. Hope the people involved in the cruelty get the maximum sentence and fine.

 

[Boy Tom]

The more threads on this subject the better as far as I'm concerned, keep it in the public eye. Hope the people involved in the cruelty get the maximum sentence and fine.

If we consider cruelty and as the word may or may not be applied to Hunting, then the question of cruelty is a subjective matter and for each us to decide for themselves. It's my view that when we consider the question of our rural management practices and our various expressions of our hobbies, practices and policies, then we have (or should have) the freedom to decide for ourselves where our moral compass leads us. Hunting was, and to a lesser degree still is, a part of our rural make-up.

The question in hand, is the Law and if we are to live as a civilised society, then we either bide by the Law or we campaign to change it; what we don't do is take the stance that it doesn't apply to us.

 

[TGM]

Let's be totally clear and transparent just about every hunt in the UK was either breaking the law or sailing very close to the wind, so this comes as a timely reminder. The major estates are all now telling hunts, they have to follow prescribed trails, mapped out in writing and signed by all the masters and officials. The fundamental problem with hunting in the context of the Hunting Act is that the majority of followers believe they are overly entitled and above the law. Coupled with a vain glorious sense of their own self-importance.

Just to clarify, I presume when you say "just about every hunt in the UK" you are referring to the foxhound packs (who are meant to be 'trail hunting') and not the well-established drag hunts and bloodhound hunts who have been either following dragged artificial scents or the natural scent of human runners for many years before the Hunting Act came in.

 

[Boy Tom]

…. . Let's be totally clear and transparent just about every hunt in the UK was either breaking the law or sailing very close to the wind, …. .

So, and presumably, those who drive at 29mph in a 30mph speed limit are also sailing close to the wind? …. should everyone in a 30mph limit be driving at 15mph, just to be safe?

The 2004 Act was badly drawn up, most accept and to the point that even those who Hunt and within the Law will struggle to abide by the terms of the Act.