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I feel that if anybody has any further questions regarding this incident, they should contact The Brooke directly (as The Brooke have already advised) rather then posting on an internet forum where the whole world and his wife can read it.
1. Why should the world and his wife know the answers? They have nothing to hide?
OP blows the wind up another charities bum, why was she even at the Brooke if the other charity is so much better. Why didn't she ask for ace' vet to have a look, if they are that professional and experienced surely that wouldn't be a problem.
But I BELIEVE that it is morally just not the right way to go about it. This is backed up by the people cancelling standing orders etc off the back of it.
Before I posted on this forum, a friend sent my account to The Brooke via their Facebook page, and had a response that they took this very seriously and would come back to us.
Didn't receive anything. I left it 48 hours before I decided to post on the forum.
I haven't read any of the OP's other posts. With regard to this thread, though, I'm afraid I'd give more credence to the validity of the OP's comments if there wasn't a blatant attempt to promote another charity. I don't understand the relevance of that to the allegations of poor treatment at the Brooke.
I will continue to help the horses and donkeys and other small animals out there the best I can, and reporting this incident was in an effort to improve things. I could not hope to improve the standard of care there by saying nothing.
What I witness shocked me to the core of my heart.
... I must say the horse did look in a very poor state, it was lying in alot of blood. During my time here the vet spent all his time sat at a desk talking to other Egyptians. I felt he should be monitoring the horse and not sat relaxing.
I went away happy the horse was going to be ok.
You're mis-reading her account.
Your second quote is from the first sighting.
Your first quote is from the second sighting.
Our caleche driver was alerted to the fact that a friends horse had been admitted to The Brooke, and was badly injuredafter being hit by a bus. He told us it was the caleche driver and horse we had used the previous day, and a man we have known for several years. What I witness shocked me to the core of my heart.
The horse was lying sedated on foam mats in a stable with a sand floor. His wounds had been stitched up and he was covered in flies. I went over to the vet and asked him about the condition of the horse. He told me there were no broken bones, it just had superficial wounds, however it would make a full recovery, and stay at the centre for 3 weeks to recuperate. I must say the horse did look in a very poor state, it was lying in alot of blood. During my time here the vet spent all his time sat at a desk talking to other Egyptians. I felt he should be monitoring the horse and not sat relaxing.
We continued on our way to ACE, roughly 10 minutes further up the road. This is a much smaller charity set up 10 years ago, but their facilities are superb. We were made welcome and given a guided tour of the facilities there and the current inmates.
Amymay, here's my first quote in context. Definitely the first sighting.
I did not know my husband had taken a photo while we were there, its one of those things you are so upset, and I did shed many tears that day. I could have easily not gone to see the horse, infact at first I did refuse. However I am pleased I did put myself through the ordeal, as I want the personnel there thoroughly investigated.
Someone yesterday also sent a link to The Brooke's Facebook page for me, they replied that they would investigate for me.
Thread title is pretty unambiguous too......
Dear Ms Ingram
I read with interest your response to the thread recently posted on the Horse and Hound forum in relation to the unfortunate death of the horse in Luxor. While I appreciate that the good works the Brooke generally do, I was surprised that your response did not address the details of the case which caused so much consternation amongst Horse and Hound members. The details of particular concern were the flies laying over the horses ruptured stitches and also that the horses breathing had become laboured, and she was showing obvious signs of distress along with the bedding issue of where the horse lie. These issues were not being properly addressed and although there is no proof that suffering occurred, apart from photographs which are alluded to, the post I am afraid, will likely effect the reputation of The Brookes charity adversely leading to the withdrawal of funds by some members of the public.
Please could you explain the veterinary surgeons response further to these specific issues?
Regards
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Dear Lisa,
Thank you for your email in relation to the incident that occurred at our Luxor clinic , I am happy to address your specific concerns in more detail.Z
Regarding the flies, despite fly repellents (insecticides) being used by the vet around the wound, it is impossible to completely control flies in the environments where we work. The clinic is not glazed in order to help with air flow, so unfortunately the presence of flies, whist unpleasant for staff and animals alike, is inevitable.
On the subject of the stitching, it is likely this ruptured due to the movement of the horse when recovering from the anaesthesia this sometimes happens, particularly as we do not have controlled anaesthesia in our countries of operation.
We believe the laboured breathing was a result of the horse recovering from anaesthesia and the pain relief administered. It is not always a sign of distress but may be seen as such by those who have not seen sedated or anaesthetised horses before, and I can imagine it was very upsetting for the lady who informed us of the situation to witness.
With regard to the bedding, as mentioned in my post, the mare was originally placed on a mattress inside a large box when she arrived at the clinic, so the wounds could be stitched. After this was completed, she remained in the box surrounded by small mattresses with straw as bedding. All photographs that have been provided to us show her laying on a mattress in a shaded area of the stable.
All our vets working in the Luxor centre are fully qualified, and the vet dealing with this case is extremely experienced. We support their ongoing education with a veterinary training programme which is led by our team in London. In addition we undertake clinical audits to ensure good practice is maintained. I would like to assure you that our team in Egypt are very dedicated and hard working professionals who care passionately for the animals in their care.
We are always very sad when an animal in our care dies, but we do believe in this case everything that could be done was done to save her and to keep her as comfortable as possible under the circumstances.
I hope this will help to ease your concerns, but if you have any further questions at all please do contact me again.
Kind regards,
Petra Ingram
Chief Executive
The Brooke
I think the OP has been completely credible from start to finish! I can't believe people would doubt her. But then again, those people have probably never been to a third world country and seen suffering - it really could make you so angry that you would come on here and fire off a thread... It sticks in your mind.. If nothing else, among the accusations there were some useful suggestions on where to go next with the complaint..
OP good luck, and keep us posted.x
Dear Ms Ingram
I read with interest your response to the thread recently posted on the Horse and Hound forum in relation to the unfortunate death of the horse in Luxor. While I appreciate that the good works the Brooke generally do, I was surprised that your response did not address the details of the case which caused so much consternation amongst Horse and Hound members. The details of particular concern were the flies laying over the horses ruptured stitches and also that the horses breathing had become laboured, and she was showing obvious signs of distress along with the bedding issue of where the horse lie. These issues were not being properly addressed and although there is no proof that suffering occurred, apart from photographs which are alluded to, the post I am afraid, will likely effect the reputation of The Brookes charity adversely leading to the withdrawal of funds by some members of the public.
Please could you explain the veterinary surgeons response further to these specific issues?
Regards
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Dear Lisa,
Thank you for your email in relation to the incident that occurred at our Luxor clinic , I am happy to address your specific concerns in more detail.
Regarding the flies, despite fly repellents (insecticides) being used by the vet around the wound, it is impossible to completely control flies in the environments where we work. The clinic is not glazed in order to help with air flow, so unfortunately the presence of flies, whist unpleasant for staff and animals alike, is inevitable.
On the subject of the stitching, it is likely this ruptured due to the movement of the horse when recovering from the anaesthesia this sometimes happens, particularly as we do not have controlled anaesthesia in our countries of operation.
We believe the laboured breathing was a result of the horse recovering from anaesthesia and the pain relief administered. It is not always a sign of distress but may be seen as such by those who have not seen sedated or anaesthetised horses before, and I can imagine it was very upsetting for the lady who informed us of the situation to witness.
With regard to the bedding, as mentioned in my post, the mare was originally placed on a mattress inside a large box when she arrived at the clinic, so the wounds could be stitched. After this was completed, she remained in the box surrounded by small mattresses with straw as bedding. All photographs that have been provided to us show her laying on a mattress in a shaded area of the stable.
All our vets working in the Luxor centre are fully qualified, and the vet dealing with this case is extremely experienced. We support their ongoing education with a veterinary training programme which is led by our team in London. In addition we undertake clinical audits to ensure good practice is maintained. I would like to assure you that our team in Egypt are very dedicated and hard working professionals who care passionately for the animals in their care.
We are always very sad when an animal in our care dies, but we do believe in this case everything that could be done was done to save her and to keep her as comfortable as possible under the circumstances.
I hope this will help to ease your concerns, but if you have any further questions at all please do contact me again.
Kind regards,
Petra Ingram
Chief Executive
The Brooke