The Brooke animal hospital causes suffering to animals

I can tell you that the caleche driver was with the horse when it died. He was not offered the opportunity to euthanize the horse. If you read the response from The Brooke, and sorry I can't cut and paste it, but they do state some people are opposed to this, however they do not state it was offered on behalf of this animal.

Yes, over there when offering to PTS they offer them 200LE. Well they do at the other charity, how much the Brooke offer, if at all, I can't vouch for.

As someone as previously posted, the charities mission (all of them in Luxor, and I am sure throughout the world) is to educate, and one of those things is to be able to put an animal out of its suffering. If they do this then the Egyptians do get some money. If it just dies they get nothing.

The question of whether gauze was over the injuries, there was none at all. I also did state it was sedated when I first saw it - however when I went back, the sedation had worn off.
 
Stormalong, please could I ask you to clarify your comment regarding corruption at the Brooke and what you're hoping HHO members can help you to expose?
 
Mithras said:
I believe professionals such as vets have a duty to the animal in such exceptional circumstances, when they are capable of dealing with the consequences afterwards, by means of compensation if necessary.

However, the "normal" procedure by charities in Egypt in this situation is to offer the owner of the animal 100 Lei or so (or at least higher than the value offered for fresh meat by the zoo) and to humanely put the animal out of its suffering.
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So... Charities should be open, accountable and have transparency in their operations - I agree... But, cultural/religious ideology in the locality should have no relevance and the charity should take the blatant and public position that they will ride roughshod over the owner's wishes regarding euthanasia or use coercive methods such as paying them off with charity funds...

I might be missing the point here but I don't really see that as being a particularly catchy way of obtaining charitable donations or garnering any local except from those individuals for whom a financial boost might be pretty helpful or to assist less moral individuals who'd be able to 'provide' an animal in need of being pts for the pay off... :confused:

It wouldn't go down particularly well in this country if we were to presume vets working for the PDSA could pts animals as they saw fit (emergencies excepted) without owner consultation...

stormalong said:
I can tell you that the caleche driver was with the horse when it died. He was not offered the opportunity to euthanize the horse. If you read the response from The Brooke, and sorry I can't cut and paste it, but they do state some people are opposed to this, however they do not state it was offered on behalf of this animal.
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No, they did not specify any vet/client conversation...but you were present throughout all discussions between them?
 
Give it a break op it is obvious to most of us that for some reason I suspect known to you only you are trying to cause the Brooke as much damage as you can.
This disguists me as the brooke do do a lot of good without them where would this poor horse be dead at the side of some dusty road no pain killers no sedation just dead!
 
Rhino - yes I spoke to the caleche driver. As posted previously I had used him the day before, and have known him for a number of years. I went round to his house also in the evening to offer my condolences. All the family very upset, his wife in floods of tears. Of course they were worried how they were going to earn a living with no horse, and therefore no fares.

Nothing The Brooke can do about that, its just a fact of life. I did actually use him a couple of days later - he borrowed another horse and carriage from a friend. So at least gave him a bit of money before we returned home.

Lannerch - ok I'll give in then. Well on the forum, but not for animal welfare in general.
Will be going out to Luxor again in the future and will visit Brooke and other charities.
Its not expensive to get a flight, so come on join me. There's nothing quite like seeing how things really are.
 
Wow, is this thread in ths top ten yet?

Anyone got any ideas how to get it pulled yet or shall I give you all a case of down right cruelty on a massive level here in the UK and we can all argue and give hho a ***** name furthermore.

This has happened, investigated now were just wasting time. How's about we yes this time arguing to sort out welfare issues here which charities are completely unable to help with and animals are dyeing out In the public eye.

Seriously, there are better things to do than sit here writing 45 pages of roundabout arguments.
 
mountainview22 said:
Seriously, there are better things to do than sit here writing 45 pages of roundabout arguments.
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Well isn't it great we have free choice? I think this thread is a welfare issue, the malicious allegations in the OP were designed to stop people donating, and if that happens horses will suffer.

No-one is denying there is abuse and neglect in the UK, it has been pointed out repeatedly in the thread :confused:

Agree Goldenstar - the OP has said she's not coming back. Why should she, she's achieved what she set out to do, make lots of noise and achieve nothing remotely positive. I stand by my stance on the thread, this wasn't about welfare, this was a deliberate attempt to discredit one charity and promote another. Very, very sad :(
 
stormalong said:
Rhino - yes I spoke to the caleche driver. As posted previously I had used him the day before, and have known him for a number of years. I went round to his house also in the evening to offer my condolences. All the family very upset, his wife in floods of tears. Of course they were worried how they were going to earn a living with no horse, and therefore no fares.

Nothing The Brooke can do about that, its just a fact of life. I did actually use him a couple of days later - he borrowed another horse and carriage from a friend. So at least gave him a bit of money before we returned home.

Lannerch - ok I'll give in then. Well on the forum, but not for animal welfare in general.
Will be going out to Luxor again in the future and will visit Brooke and other charities.
Its not expensive to get a flight, so come on join me. There's nothing quite like seeing how things really are.
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I thought you said the caleche driver had got a new horse called Lucky the day after the accident?! Also you do appear to be adding more and more information here as we go along - ie the caleche driver was now with the horse when it died, and now you went around to his house afterwards! What other facts have you ommitted so far?
 
Rhino, I agree, this is a welfare issue and freedom of speech is certainly a valid point.

But surley you agree, Brooke have done their part, now were going around in circles?

Please don't put me in my place because you will win hands down :) I for one just think the longer this thread goes on the more irreversible damage is going to be done.
 
If it was worth reading with factual evidence from both sides it would be worthwhile, the past ten pages seem to be nothing more than Petty arguments.

Such a shame that a valid point of view can not just be answered in a civilised matter. Both the op and the Brooke haven't given enough info, then they've added and done wrong, it's madness in here. I blambe the bad weather :)
 
Moomin - the caleche drivers horse called Lucky is the one that died. He did not have it the day after the accident. He showed it to me when I returned to Luxor at the beginning of my holiday.

Re the other information re going to his house in the evening to offer my condolences, I really did not think that was relevant in my original posting. I did not want to give you a blow by blow account of everywhere I went, and what I did whilst in Luxor. I did see the man a couple of times afterwards. Heaven knows how he is coping now - he has 6 children to feed.

I agree alot of petty bickering going on now. Sorry felt I had to return just once more, re Moomin thinking he had a new horse the next day. It will be a long time before he can afford a new horse. They cost in the region of £500 or 5,000LE, some cost more, and some a bit less, if they are very poor. Weekly wage for a caleche driver is in the region of
£25-£30 a month, and with tourist industry being so poor at the moment, don't think they are even getting that.

Time to put this to bed now.
 
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