The first horse I viewed bolted with me!

Kitsmas_Pudding said:
I disagree DS, to label on a public forum, a horse a "bolter" when said horse is up for sale is a really bad thing to do. Especially when you have people here who are very knowledgeable who disagree with that statement. For the seller it could mean the difference between selling and not selling the horse, who with an experienced rider would not show any such tendancies!
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So I am not knowledgeable then, because I don't agree with those who YOU consider to be knowledgable? You don't know me from Adam, but you have assumed.......Man, I love this forum, people love to 'assume' allsorts when they don't know you! :D

Out of control can mean many things. Bolting can be construde as unable to stop. The OP later posted that we didn't see the two circuirts of the horse charging around the school.

If the OP said the horse bolted, why the heck can people not just accept that? She SAID that it DID indeed tank off, it doesn't need the world and his mother debating what the term 'bolter' means.
 
HorseyLad said:
Sorry but being nosey I looked at your other vids on Youtube and one was of you riding Bailey and it is dated September, and says you've owned him for months now! So how is this your first horse?

Dazed and confused!!
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This had been an old and ressurected thread, OP has now more than likely found her new horse!

:D
 
HorseSpirit said:
Critique on my riding much much appreciated, I know its quite dreadful! Must remember to check my diagonal next time. Also leaning forward seems to be my newest habit.
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An old thread - but as it's been resurrected ... The horse wasn't going anywhere - in the whole video it didn't track up once. But it's wearing a martingale and has its mouth strapped shut - doesn't do much for 'forward'!

It didn't bolt - but is clearly is either very green jumping - or very spoilt! There was NO reason for it to run on in the way it did - other than bad schooling!

he did only bolt because he was green which is behaviour to be expected in a young horse.
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RUBBISH! I sell newly backed 3 year olds. I've NEVER had one bolt with a potential buyer. Yes, the odd one might run on a bit if the rider tenses up - but all we do is yell 'whoa' - and the horse stops!

If one of my youngsters showed the slightest tendency to bolt, I wouldn't be showing it to potential buyers - it would be still receiving 'counselling'!!
 
DragonSlayer said:
So I am not knowledgeable then, because I don't agree with those who YOU consider to be knowledgable? You don't know me from Adam, but you have assumed.......Man, I love this forum, people love to 'assume' allsorts when they don't know you! :D
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I am addressing the OP not you DS - there are a lot of people more knowledgeable than the OP when she posted.

If the OP said the horse bolted, why the heck can people not just accept that? She SAID that it DID indeed tank off, it doesn't need the world and his mother debating what the term 'bolter' means.
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I'd say if people want to control exactly what people say in response to a statement they make, they converse with sock puppets. Because to my knowledge posting on a open forum means you can't control what people respond to, or say...
 
Mmmm, shame the bit where he "bolted" on the vid is missing coz difficult to say really.

Allow me to be brutally honest, and give my observations. I'm not an instructor and have diddly squat horsey quals apart from Pony Club C a long time ago!!

BUT ...... I have to say that TBH you didn't look "right " on that particular horse. He's lovely, but obviously very green and in his mind the word "jump" means "gallop", so I think he'd be a superb horse hunting or doing eventing, BUT he ain't the one for you that's for sure.

Whatever happened, its obviously frightened you and made you lose confidence for a bit, which is a shame, but TBH you just didn't look happy on him IMO, you were obviously very tense - you were leaning forward and your hands looked quite a way up his neck; which was making him very tense in the forhand - head and neck, and he then stuck his head up coming in to the fence and hollowed out his back, when then meant that he jumped very unbalanced, which unsettled you, and on landing obviously thought that you wanted to gallop on. I think he'd made a lovely BE horse, but is way too sharp/green for you at this stage of your ability.

I wouldn't be too discouraged and/or beat yourself up about it; he's a lovely horse, very scopey and agile, and will be a perfect horse - for someone else.

Sometimes its good to know what you DON'T want, then you can be more focussed on what you DO want; so I'd just put this down to experience and learn from it.

The other thing I'd say is (sorry if teaching granny to suck eggs) that when viewing a horse, you don't actually have to get on it!!! You won't lose any face by saying "no" and in fact if you do ask to see it under saddle first that's actually a far better way to see how it moves. I certainly wouldn't get on a strange horse, not now, having had, like you, some scarey experiences when looking for horses to buy and riding them without seeing them under saddle first. A friend of mine went to see a pony for her daughter; supposed to be bombproof/pony club etc etc, then the owner got up on it and it basically p!ssed off with her, and then had the story of oh its "never done that before" ..... so be careful. If you're not totally happy, then you don't have to get on it, let the owner or dealer show it to you first either on lunge or under saddle. Keep yourself safe hun!
 
MagicMelon said:
It's not bolting. I've noticed lots of people use the term bolting too easily (especially on You Tube!) when the horse is just cantering off a bit. Bolting is when the horse literally goes off full pelt and doesn't have any self preservation (when one of mine bolted, he went straight through a barbed wire fence!).

I think this horse is simply green. It wouldn't have put me off. Did you try another jump after? Perhaps look for an older horse? Youngsters will always be more unreliable than older ones as I'm sure you know.
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Agreed - don't label a horse that runs as a bolter, a real bolter would have gone over or through the fence. I have only ever ridden one and it was terrifying, I have also ridden a lot of forward going/strong/young horses but it is not the same thing. It is very easy to label a horse and ruin its reputation!

So, first of all I have to take my hat off to you for having the financial sense and patience to save up!! you could teach a few of us some lessons there! I also thought you looked like a nice quiet rider. My "critique" is you look a little weak - borne out by the fact you point out that you tend to lean. If you had a course of lunge lessons it would do wonders for your strength and stability. Also on the ground, exercises to help strengthen your core would stop you being pulled forward/leaning. I can suggest that as it is real weakness of mine! Your weakness also contributed to the misunderstanding and the horse running off.

Did you see the horse being ridden first? Just a thought as you can tell a lot from how the horse is working. I have refused to try out a horse after watching it being ridden with no guiltly feelings whatsoever - if it will play up at home, with its rider then that would suggest a bit of a handful to sort out!. Everyone says schoolmaster, so why not approach your local riding club to put a wanted ad in their magazine? Anyway good luck with the search.

Wanders off still in awe of someone who has that amount of self control to wait and SAVE!
 
I haven't read all the replies so sorry if I repeat what others have said - there's so many replies!

I really like that horse. He's only young and it looks like you tensed up and he didn't know what to do which is why he cantered around the arena.

I'd be looking for something older if I were you, keep searching you will find the right one :)

And well done for saving up all that money, you are very dedicated

Did you ask the owner if you could post the video on youtube? If you didn't and that was my horse I wouldn't be too pleased.
 
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