The great Reiki experiment - results

tallyhohoho! said:
Then I don't think that is necessarily an open mind. You have contradicted yourself.

A bit like saying 'I have an open door policy in the office but I will lock it just in case'.

You would be better off saying to yourself that you have an open mind and if it works, great! If it doesn't, nevermind.

And anyway, how can you doubt "it" when you don't know what "it" is?
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Because I am open minded but the fact I don't really know what Reiki is means I wouldn't necessarily try it until I had more information... to be open minded do I have to be willing to try literally anything without question? What about drilling holes in my head to rid myself of demons ;-)

tallyhohoho! said:
Sorry if the above sounded like I was being critical, I honestly wasn't I was just trying to point out how you could overcome that 'it wouldn't work for me' feeling.. :):)
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That's cool! I have been hypnotised before so I am not a complete cynic :-)
 
mandwhy said:
Because I am open minded but the fact I don't really know what Reiki is means I wouldn't necessarily try it until I had more information... to be open minded do I have to be willing to try literally anything without question? What about drilling holes in my head to rid myself of demons ;-)



That's cool! I have been hypnotised before so I am not a complete cynic :-)
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Medical hypnotism, as opposed to theatrical ond other forms of hypnotism, is accepted mainstream.

I'm standing up beside you, Mandwhy, because I feel that the long-distance pro-reiki crowd are as closed-minded as they accuse you of being. Mind you I'm not quite as on the fence as you. I think the afore-going on this thread is nothing more than laughable twaddle. Of course, if you know that someone is going to be thinking of you at a certain time, you are bound to feel better at that time. Have they never heard of auto-suggestion? And, of course, a nice lie down in a quiet room will relax and calm you - that's common sense not some oriental mumbo-jumbo.

The really acid test would be if the reiki "practioner" did the so-called "healing" without the knowledge of the client. Would the client feel better then?

Randomised clinical trials run by bodies such as the American Cancer Society and National Centre for Complemetary and Alternative Medicine have failed to show any hard evidence for the effectiveness of Reiki in the treatment of any illness.

So the reiki "practitioner" is supposed to charge because not to do so would de-value reiki, would it? Hmm, just about every snake oil salesman in the old wild west came out with that one!
 
Ellen Durow said:
Medical hypnotism, as opposed to theatrical ond other forms of hypnotism, is accepted mainstream.

My Reiki master was also a qualified therapeutic hypnotist, she swore she could take a patient into a deeper trance like state using Reiki than with hypnotherapy.

The really acid test would be if the reiki "practioner" did the so-called "healing" without the knowledge of the client. Would the client feel better then?

Without going into too much detail on a public forum, recent events that led to me doing just this lead me to believe that it would work in exactly the same way. The person involved (close family) had been unconcious for 3 weeks and I gave Reiki, hands on and distance, without permission because I was desperate, the results have either been amazing or there is a genuine medical miracle going on. I do not normally ever treat people these days because I made choice to only treat animals and I would normally never treat without permission.

So the reiki "practitioner" is supposed to charge because not to do so would de-value reiki, would it? Hmm, just about every snake oil salesman in the old wild west came out with that one!
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I have never yet, in over 14 years, charged for Reiki. I know that people say it will devalue it but I disagree. For me it was never about making money and it just doesn't sit right with me.
 
Ellen Durow said:
Medical hypnotism, as opposed to theatrical ond other forms of hypnotism, is accepted mainstream.

I'm standing up beside you, Mandwhy, because I feel that the long-distance pro-reiki crowd are as closed-minded as they accuse you of being. Mind you I'm not quite as on the fence as you. I think the afore-going on this thread is nothing more than laughable twaddle. Of course, if you know that someone is going to be thinking of you at a certain time, you are bound to feel better at that time. Have they never heard of auto-suggestion? And, of course, a nice lie down in a quiet room will relax and calm you - that's common sense not some oriental mumbo-jumbo.

The really acid test would be if the reiki "practioner" did the so-called "healing" without the knowledge of the client. Would the client feel better then?

Randomised clinical trials run by bodies such as the American Cancer Society and National Centre for Complemetary and Alternative Medicine have failed to show any hard evidence for the effectiveness of Reiki in the treatment of any illness.

So the reiki "practitioner" is supposed to charge because not to do so would de-value reiki, would it? Hmm, just about every snake oil salesman in the old wild west came out with that one!
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I personally think that it's fair to charge for a service provided Ellen, and the "product" is worth what it is to the customer. Having said that, as explained in my earlier posts, a lot of Reiki is given away freely and willingly as it was on this thread. In any case, I don't think anyone said that there had to be money changing hands every time, obviously if someone is making some sort of living from complementary therapies they'll charge for their time. However, it is often just some sort of "exchange". On this thread, I asked Tallyho to just post her reactions, whether they were good or bad. I have charged at times in the past when I've been short of money, it was £20 for an hour. More a recognition of time spent and travel than a charge for the service I think.

Note - the care that we have taken here about the use of the word "healing".

I explained at the start, I have nothing to lose or gain by taking part in this fairly light-hearted exchange. I am not a Reiki practitioner out charging for my services and I couldn't care less what people think about what I do. Since doing this I've had some pm's asking what I would charge to "do" a bit of Reiki for some people and animals and I've turned all if it down, because as I said at the beginning, I'm not going to gain from this and I'm not using it as a form of promotion to earn income.

I'm not sure how you would explain away the accuracy of what took place when Tallyho and I did our little session of Reiki (and to be honest I don't really care). We know that I wasn't given any clues about her physical situation apart from the fact that she'd mentioned a "bad back". She knows that when we spoke on the phone after I didn't let her give me any feedback until I'd gone through what I picked up from her during the session. Including me wondering if she'd had a steroid injection in her right shoulder. She then responded and we were pleasantly surprised and quite excited at the results.

I have a mate in Hereford who is also a Reiki person and we send each other some every now and then when we think about it. The texts say "12 o'clock? Was that you?". But again, if anyone thinks that's coincidence, I'm absolutely fine with it.

I started learning about Reiki so that I could give it to animals. Their reactions can be extraordinary, even though they obviously aren't suceptible to the cunning words of snake oil salesmen or the powers of auto-suggestion.

It's hard to understand why the people who feel that there is something in this are being called close-minded. If they've experienced something that they believe had some effect on them how it is close-minded if they won't change that opinion? You've made this quite confrontational and picked up the cudgel on behalf of mandwhy - didn't you read Tallyho's second post where she apologised and clarified what she meant? Nobody's been having a pop at anyone here (until you arrived) the thread was started to allow people to explore a topic that came up on another thread and that some were obviously quite interested in.

It's not really in the spirit of this thread (if you read the first post) to get so intense and close to insulting some people on it. But if it makes you feel good then I guess you should just carry on.

What do the "wafty" healing and crystals brigade say Ellen? Oh I know -
Love and Light to you.
 
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Some interesting debates on here. I can do Reiki level 1 and the horses and cats and chickens really enjoy it. I have used it on my family and they say they have felt benefit from it.

As for the charging for it - I think it is like anything - it is good to recgnise it as a service and whether one exchanges a half a dozen eggs for it or some chocolate or a small fee I don't think it matters. I used to do reflexology and massage regularly on a lady who is now a very good friend who had ME. She had little money and I wanted to help her, but she equally didn't expect charity from me and she used to bring me a few groceries and hand picked flowers which was a lovely way of saying thank-you.

As for 'asking permission' that is really important with animals. I always ask and always allow the animal the space to move away and to process the reiki during treatment.
My WB had some serious issues both physical and he had been abused and I had a lady out to do a hands on healing session (not reiki) with him and you know she forced him by giving distance healing across his stable, when he objected at close quarters. I could see he wasn't happy, but i was desperate to help him. The next day he attacked me so badly and i know now it was because this lady had imposed this healing on him and I had invited her to do it and he felt invaded :(
 
How would I look into trying some reiki? I wouldn't know where to start... I'm also considering possibly learning how to do it myself :)
 
E13 said:
How would I look into trying some reiki? I wouldn't know where to start... I'm also considering possibly learning how to do it myself :)
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To try it you could go along to a holistic day - these are increasingly popular and usually have lots of alternative therapies available to both enquire and learn about and taster sessions. I used to attend these when I started reflexology. Or you could simply book a session with a local reiki therapist. If you go to a reiki master they are able to train and attune people I believe. I did my attunement with Jo Rose in Oxfordshire. She was totally brilliant and has a complete range of skills from aromatics and herbs to massage and reiki to name but a few. I found out about Jo through recommendation and she has been a very helpful and knowledgeable therapist for my animals since too.
 
E13 said:
How would I look into trying some reiki? I wouldn't know where to start... I'm also considering possibly learning how to do it myself :)
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I can send you some if you like to try it.

well said Tiny Pony. Ellen Durrow, there was no need for that offensive post. I don't care either what people think of reiki and whether they believe or not but i do take exception to being called a snake oil salesman and some of the other nasty comments in your post.

Animals are not susceptible to auto suggestion or medical hypnotism and i have seen some wonderful reactions from them after some reiki. I wouldn't know where to start to hypnotise.
As for sending it when the person is unaware. I have a lady who, with her permission, i send her reiki regularly and when it is convenient to me. She has often asked if i was sending it at a particular time as she had felt the energy and warmth she knows to be reiki.

I said earlier that I do charge for my services, but i give away far more than i charge for. I often offer reiki to people or their animals when i feel it could help, obviously i am not expecting any payment then. nor do i charge anymone who has cancer, i don't even charge for fuel regardless of how far i travel. wouldn't expect someone to come out and do a massage or any therapy on your animal for free, so why whould you expect me to. Perhaps you think it is laughable twaddle, but i have people who value my time and what I do or they wouldn't ask me in the first place or expect me to be out of pocket to do it. I do need to put food on the table and so i do charge. so please do not insult my integrity, i find it upsetting and don't think there is any need.

Regardless of how nasty you are here, i wouldn't dream of trying to upset you or insult you. I try to live by the Reiki precepts:

Just for today do not worry,

Just for today do not anger,

Honour your parents, teachers and elders,

Earn your living honestly,

Show gratitude to every living thing.

Maybe some people would do well to have a wee read and see if perhaps they strike a chord.

what a shame this thread had to be spoiled.
 
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Ah, I don't think it's spoiled by one poster who got a bit carried away with their condemnation. People are finding out a bit more, and some are experiencing Reiki for the first time, and it's all positive. :-)

I was thinking earlier (as I trudged around my field) that I have met some great and giving people through getting involved in Reiki. When I left my working student place at a training centre it was all a bit stressful. My Reiki master invited me to her place for the day and treated me like royalty. She was trained in various therapies and was a beautician, and I got Reiki, sports massage, facial, Indian head massage... just bliss. All freely given. She just asked me to give her a Reiki session in return.
 
For the record I don't think any of you practising reiki or similar are snake oil salesmen or whatever, I absolutely believe that you believe it and have no problem with you charging for it... like you say a service is worth as much as a person feels it is worth!

Plus I wasn't saying that I don't believe it works either, just that I don't really know what it is!
 
festnutty fairy - that's a lovely offer, thank you :) I honestly don't know what to expect! What if I try it and don't feel anything? I believe it can work but am wondering how it feels like, if that makes sense. :)
 
mandwhy said:
For the record I don't think any of you practising reiki or similar are snake oil salesmen or whatever, I absolutely believe that you believe it and have no problem with you charging for it... like you say a service is worth as much as a person feels it is worth!

Plus I wasn't saying that I don't believe it works either, just that I don't really know what it is!
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Oh don't worry, I think we understood what you were saying. Certainly my response was to Ellen. :-))
 
Tinypony said:
Ah, I don't think it's spoiled by one poster who got a bit carried away with their condemnation. People are finding out a bit more, and some are experiencing Reiki for the first time, and it's all positive. :-)

I was thinking earlier (as I trudged around my field) that I have met some great and giving people through getting involved in Reiki. When I left my working student place at a training centre it was all a bit stressful. My Reiki master invited me to her place for the day and treated me like royalty. She was trained in various therapies and was a beautician, and I got Reiki, sports massage, facial, Indian head massage... just bliss. All freely given. She just asked me to give her a Reiki session in return.
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you're absolutely right, was just a bit taken aback at that post.
I am pleased that people have had a wee bit to try too, the more people that get involved with reiki the better in my opinion. It's a wonderful thing with good intention. I also have met so many great people through reiki. Some of them in here also.
I have also attuned some fab people who i know i will have a connection with for a very long time.

E13, i will pm you to arrange a time. I would be very surprised if you didn't feel anything, that would be a first for me. However, if that were the case, you would still get benefit from it. just relax and accept the vibes lol
 
Ellen Durow said:
Medical hypnotism, as opposed to theatrical ond other forms of hypnotism, is accepted mainstream.

I'm standing up beside you, Mandwhy, because I feel that the long-distance pro-reiki crowd are as closed-minded as they accuse you of being. Mind you I'm not quite as on the fence as you. I think the afore-going on this thread is nothing more than laughable twaddle. Of course, if you know that someone is going to be thinking of you at a certain time, you are bound to feel better at that time. Have they never heard of auto-suggestion? And, of course, a nice lie down in a quiet room will relax and calm you - that's common sense not some oriental mumbo-jumbo.

The really acid test would be if the reiki "practioner" did the so-called "healing" without the knowledge of the client. Would the client feel better then?

Randomised clinical trials run by bodies such as the American Cancer Society and National Centre for Complemetary and Alternative Medicine have failed to show any hard evidence for the effectiveness of Reiki in the treatment of any illness.

So the reiki "practitioner" is supposed to charge because not to do so would de-value reiki, would it? Hmm, just about every snake oil salesman in the old wild west came out with that one!
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How sad! I like to believe in things that science cant prove, it gives me comfort and hope that there is something beyond our selfish little existence. An open mind helps :)
 
Do you know of anyone who teaches in the Coventry area. I am interested in learning. And can you use it on yourself? I have been in pain and haven't had a nights sleep in around 20 years!
 
I don't know anyone, but you could look here. http://www.reikifed.co.uk/find-reiki-practitioner-teacher-course
Yes, you can give Reiki to yourself and will be encouraged to do that. I must admit that I feel most benefit when I go to a Reiki sharing (when practioners get together to give Reiki to each other), but then I have the concentration span of a gnat and struggle to get in the frame of mind to give it to myself.
I've pm'd you.
 
Tinypony and festnuttyfairy were both kind enough to send me some healing recently. I have to be honest, and say that I never felt anything at all, but I'm amazed at what they picked up about me.
I spoke to tinypony this evening, and she was really accurate in what she felt about me when she was giving the reiki. She said she felt that it was getting blocked somehow, she felt her heart pounding, and thought that there was something emotional that needed resolving, possibly grief. She had no idea that I lost two close members of my family last year, both traumatic deaths, and through other circumstances, I have not been able to grieve. She said that I had to be strong, which is very true, as I am supporting several members of my family emotionally and practically. She explained that the healing she sent would be directed by my body to where it is needed most.
Both tinypony and festnuttyfairy seem to be genuine, caring people. I have never met either of them, and I'm a newcomer to hho, but I'm so grateful that they are continuing to help me.
 
I received some reiki from festnutty fairy last night. It was weird, but in a good way! I had the feeling of heat and tingling which started in one area and moved. I ended up falling asleep, and waking up a little after - I didn't remember any dream, and usually I know I have dreamed or had a nightmare. FF told me that she had picked up on some anxiety, which is very accurate, and I had not mentioned this. I also have some physical issues, not pain, so I didn't mention it, but after I woke up I felt a little worse, but then felt better than I had before falling asleep - possibly coincidence (it's normal for me) but I wonder if it is related to the cleansing effects? I also felt calm in the period between waking up and going to sleep proper, which is a lovely treat. So thank you very much festnutty fairy :)
 
you are welcome whoatherejig. be interesting to see where we get with this.

E13, pleased you enjoyed it, hope it has done some good. I don't always go through what i have picked up from people. I did feel the anxiety thing with you so mentioned it as you were curious. sometimes the people haven't told me what their problem is and perhaps it is of a really personal nature so it isn't always appropriate to mention anything. also, i am often sending reiki to a few people one after the other so forget which one i feel what from.
you are very welcome, glad that you enjoyed the calm. xx
 
This is really intersting. Thanks for sharing.

I would love to find out more about training. I'm making investigations. If any of you who are practitioners would feel happy to PM me to point me in the right direction/share any advice for getting started I'd be really grateful (or share it in this thread as it seems to me others are interested too).

Thank you!
 
Wouldn't you lot be more at home on a Monty Roberts or Parelli site?

Personally I come here, because it's "Horse and Hound".

At the very least, could this be moved to Soapbox?
 
noobs31 said:
Wouldn't you lot be more at home on a Monty Roberts or Parelli site?

Personally I come here, because it's "Horse and Hound".

At the very least, could this be moved to Soapbox?
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Did you know?

You can pick and choose what you open and read noobs????

Just thought I'd let you know as you don't seem to realise how forums work :)
 
noobs31 said:
Wouldn't you lot be more at home on a Monty Roberts or Parelli site?

Personally I come here, because it's "Horse and Hound".

At the very least, could this be moved to Soapbox?
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112 posts and laying down the law about what people can discuss.

Have a great day Noobs.

 
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