lucretia
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i shouldnt think so, that is how he is. perhaps it will become less apparent but that is all.
The new dressage superstar - Totilas wins 3 times in a row vs Salinero
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chestnut cob
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i think that it was breeding certain characteristics for 'show' that have led to some of the problems affecting pedigree dogs and it bothers me, as it did watching the olympics, that certain horses seem to be doing well when their movement is not correct for want of a better expression.
this is no to say that the collected parts of the test didnt look good, its just that I am uncomfortable that the extended paces seem to be sacrificed these days for a bit more toe flic and knee action.
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I'm with you on this one Lucretia.
And I think you might have been reading the same book as me recently
i think that it was breeding certain characteristics for 'show' that have led to some of the problems affecting pedigree dogs and it bothers me, as it did watching the olympics, that certain horses seem to be doing well when their movement is not correct for want of a better expression.
this is no to say that the collected parts of the test didnt look good, its just that I am uncomfortable that the extended paces seem to be sacrificed these days for a bit more toe flic and knee action.
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I'm with you on this one Lucretia.
And I think you might have been reading the same book as me recently
brighteyes
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I thought he looked as if he found it all relatively easy, I couldn't see much tension, the hindquarters were generally well lowered in the movements requiring them to be and the picture was pleasing overall. Gal looked almost motionless and relaxed in the saddle and I was extremely impressed by the performance. For the way he has been bred, Totilas does brilliantly. He appears to have a wonderful temperament and brain for dressage.
I guess have been reading the wrong books
I guess have been reading the wrong books
lucretia
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its not really about which book you reads just that i do not believe it is good to appalaud such exagerated characteristics what ever they maybe. Indeed the training enhances those and as i keep saying, that horse is built up hill so i would be very surprised if a rider of this standard could not achieve good looking collected movements as his croup is naturally lower. However the proof of the pudding IMHO is how well a horse performs the movements he is not best suited for, in this case the extended work, and it wasnt fabulous.
The beloved pink horse at he olympics was to my mind the embodiment of what dressage should be about, taking a fairly ordinary normal horse and training it to such perfection that it appears to be an entirely different creature without losing the classical correctness and purity of the paces. That horse will never do a piaffe or passage like the black one, he isnt built in such an appropriate manner but the excellence of his training makes him do a pretty good effort.
However I am not understanding your comment about the way he was bred, Brighteyes. Surely that horse was bred with dressage in mind, in which case he isnt doing especially brilliantly, it is his job.
The beloved pink horse at he olympics was to my mind the embodiment of what dressage should be about, taking a fairly ordinary normal horse and training it to such perfection that it appears to be an entirely different creature without losing the classical correctness and purity of the paces. That horse will never do a piaffe or passage like the black one, he isnt built in such an appropriate manner but the excellence of his training makes him do a pretty good effort.
However I am not understanding your comment about the way he was bred, Brighteyes. Surely that horse was bred with dressage in mind, in which case he isnt doing especially brilliantly, it is his job.
Attila_the_Hungry
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I have to say that I thought the extended work looked very flashy, but not really extended. Surely there's supposed to be an overtrack in medium, let alone extended?
In my mind, extended trot should be covering as much ground as possible, without rushing; and should look more like an endurance horse's trot than the goose-step being shown here.
Mind you, apart from that the rest looked pretty good to me. I like the tailcoat (I'd love to wear one but it might be a little OTT at unaff prelim), but the rider doesn't do anything for me!
In my mind, extended trot should be covering as much ground as possible, without rushing; and should look more like an endurance horse's trot than the goose-step being shown here.
Mind you, apart from that the rest looked pretty good to me. I like the tailcoat (I'd love to wear one but it might be a little OTT at unaff prelim), but the rider doesn't do anything for me!
FrodoBeutlin
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I think that all top riders in Holland are trained by Sjef regularly.
Overall, I agree with Lucretia. By the way, here's something for you
Overall, I agree with Lucretia. By the way, here's something for you
lucretia
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aahh, bless him! Thanks Frodo x
Marge
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Just for the record - carriage horses do not pull a carriage they push the collar.
If working correctly they should NOT be leaning in to the collar - draught horses pulling heavy weights, admittedly being different, more of a 4-wheel drive style.
Carriage horses were to be flashy and light up front.
Carriage horses were to be flashy and light up front.
CoachinaCar
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I think this is the best horse we have seen for many years, he may not be perfect but he is dam near excellent and, can do all the work with no weaknesses, he appears to do it with ease, looks happy in his work, nothing looks forced and for me is a pleasure to watch.
We see so many horses with restricted shoulder movement, tight in the back, on the forehand and not going forward that this horse is like a breath of fresh air.
We see so many horses with restricted shoulder movement, tight in the back, on the forehand and not going forward that this horse is like a breath of fresh air.