The new 'Fake' professional riders?

[pinktiger]

i dont really know hw they can be FAKE when the only difference is the level in which they compete!!! If they make money and sposnsorship out of eventing or whateva they do,then they are surely professional 'right' (being paid to teach,compete horses, liverys or whatever) I say good on em, get some young blood into eventing, some of the real little uns (youngsters) out there just beginning on their little ponies look up to these 'fake professionals as you put' evolution is a good thing!!!!

The only thing sometimes stopping these youngsters at lower levels from uping their game is they have yet to get that break, or horse power to get them there, they are still talented!!!! The records of each individual are for all to see, so those aproaching these 'fake professionals' for instruction or advice are more than aware of their results to date!!!

 

[dieseldog]

i dont really know hw they can be FAKE when the only difference is the level in which they compete!!! If they make money and sposnsorship out of eventing or whateva they do,then they are surely professional 'right' (being paid to teach,compete horses, liverys or whatever) I say good on em, get some young blood into eventing, some of the real little uns (youngsters) out there just beginning on their little ponies look up to these 'fake professionals as you put' evolution is a good thing!!!!

Maybe they are 'Fake' as they aren't declaring their income and doing a tax return like proper pro's have to?

I quite like reading the websites and when you are looking for a new horse and someone has a website like this it can give you loads of extra information. For example I have been very impressed by Phoebe Buckley and especially her riding the ex-racehorse - who wouldn't like a horse started by her? I would never have seen this side to her if it hadn't been because of her website. Obviously this works both ways - I've watched videos on other peoples sites and thought I would never send my horse there or buy one of them in a million years.

 

[pinktiger]

RE: tax returns i doubt once they have offsett their outgoings and deductables they earn enough to pay tax, bless em!!!!!!

 

[Stormy123456]

As a 17 year old, riding at Novice, I have no illusions as to how hard it is be to become a professional event rider, and yes that is what I would love to do.

I have two horses, one of which I bought with money I had earned, I started BE this year (to do 1 event and find my horse is out for the Summer...) and I pay for all my entry fees, my membership and much of the time my training too. I am looking for all the experience I can get, working on a yard in my Summer holidays, riding other peoples horses for them, as well as hopefully improving my own.

Eventing is an expensive sport (and as previous posts have said, not everyone can afford a £60k schoolmaster to just take them round happily, those who strive to improve and maybe struggle to reach the higher levels because of horse power should have just as much recognition.) and if websites promote young riders, then I think they are a good idea, and if I knew how to code one I would make one for myself. Any kind of support, be it a sponser, a instructor, whatever, it is all welcome.

I think your putting young riders down, they are the future after all Talent isn't bought.

 

[Golden_Match_II]

I think that maybe the older generation who dislike us young riders having a website are a bit sore about handing over the baton to the younger generation, which is a bit sad really. I don't understand what harm we, or our websites, do you - I think you are just a bit envious and sour to be so spiteful! It's sad when grown ups act like petty little kids (and yes, I am only 15, and I'm saying that you're being petty.)

 

[dieseldog]

RE: tax returns i doubt once they have offsett their outgoings and deductables they earn enough to pay tax, bless em!!!!!!

Still a legal requirement. Everyone with an income is supposed to do a tax return. Doubt HMRC would take the 'Bless 'em' approach.

 

[Equus Leather]

I wouldn't call Phoebe Buckley a 'fake professional'!

 

[Equus Leather]

Also, how at the tender age of 17 can you afford your BE membership, entry fees and training costs? I'm 31 and work, and still can't afford it!

 

[Shrek-Eventing-SW]

I'm 16 and I fund my BE by babysitting nearly every week. Any money I get goes on the horses. Maybe Stormy123456 doesn't spend her money on anything else?!

 

[dieseldog]

I wouldn't call Phoebe Buckley a 'fake professional'!

Neither would I, but people have also been quoting OT! - just using her as a good example as how a really good website can enhance the person behind the site wheras others make you run a mile.

I guess they show a bit more of the person = makes it easier to make decisions about them.

 

[MistletoeMegan]

Still a legal requirement. Everyone with an income is supposed to do a tax return. Doubt HMRC would take the 'Bless 'em' approach.

Being pedantic here, but HMRC do not want to know about people with hobbies where expenses exceed income. It's not a trade and HMRC are swift at stopping individuals who they believe are undertaking a hobby from declaring it as trading, because it a) creates losses that can be overset against other income to reduce tax and b) creates unnecessary work and clogs up the SA system.

I was talking about this last month with one of our tax guys at work and we did find a section in the BIM about it but can't find it on the HMRC website atm.

If they're taking in liveries, buying horses to sell and turn a profit or getting enough sponsorship income to meet their expenses then it's a different tale.

 

[Stormy123456]

I'm 16 and I fund my BE by babysitting nearly every week. Any money I get goes on the horses. Maybe Stormy123456 doesn't spend her money on anything else?!

haha! Shrek-Eventing-SW that is pretty much how it is!
Like I said, I only started BE this year, and have only got to 1 event, and PC before was much cheaper. My training is also on a part pay, part help basis. It doesn't actually cost me too much.

 

[pinktiger]

Still a legal requirement. Everyone with an income is supposed to do a tax return. Doubt HMRC would take the 'Bless 'em' approach.

im sure, and ofcourse,,im sure they all do their tax returns, as they are fresh out of school or college so is all fresh in their heads, infact they could probably teach some livery yards how to do tax returns!

 

[monkeybum13]

Also, how at the tender age of 17 can you afford your BE membership, entry fees and training costs? I'm 31 and work, and still can't afford it!

Bank of mum and dad must come into it somewhere.

Don't forget when you're 17 (the age I am) you don't have to pay for food, a mortgage, fuel etc so therefore money can be spent on extras, such as BE, playing with your horses and not essentials, such as living!

 

[dingle12]

ollie T keeps his facebook (and website i would assume too) very regularly updated!

He does not do it himself though.

 

[Firewell]

I think it's good that young riders have websites. It shows passion and ambition and should be encouraged. I also think it shows bravery and to some extent responsibility.. they are putting themselves out there with their results for all to see.

Of course there will always be those people that do have an over-inflated opinion of themselves but tbh who cares? There are people like that everywhere, not just in the horsie world, just let them get on with it. People like that do not affect me so I really couldn't care less.

I think some of the websites are really nice to read. One day when I have a son/daughter i'd be so proud to see them working hard on their horses and their websites. Much rather that then laying in some Ketamine induced stupor in a filthy club somewhere...

We really should enourage these people, one of them may be a future olympic medal winner. There's nothing wrong with having dreams and putting yourself out there.

 

[wonkey_donkey]

Show jumpers do it too and often not just the younger one's.

Again most don't compete over Newcomer / Foxhunter level or only seem to get placed once in a blue moon!!

They often call themselves 'team' something or something 'showjumper' on their webby and always seem to be seeking 'sponsonship' even if it's just a saddle cloth or two!!

No it's not harming anyone but I do think it's hilarious, weird and very, VERY sad !!

 

[OneInAMillion]

This has annoyed me alot reading this. The horse world is often described as snobby and people within it disagree, but this thread proves it. Youngsters like myself are the future of the sport yet adults don't want to let children/teenagers take the credit. And what harm is there in making a website or having a sponsor on a saddle cloth or two. Stop being so stuck and just let people follow their dreams even if they aren't going to make it. And even if your view of your riding is inflated the results will show. >:-(

 

[worMy]

mgould......you do realise that 98% of the people on this thread have been disagreeing with what the OP said and agreeing with you!!
Breath!

 

[TinselRider]

mgould... it's ok just breathe hun Come and join my sad little self with my website and nicely logod saddlcloths etc and the rest of us "youngsters" with sponsors and webbys


As worMy suggested 98% of the people on this thread diasagree with the OP anyway.

 

[OldGit]

Darn it, was going to launch "oldgit eventing", there muist be a niche for "down and going oldsters"

 

[xspiralx]

Bank of mum and dad must come into it somewhere.

Don't forget when you're 17 (the age I am) you don't have to pay for food, a mortgage, fuel etc so therefore money can be spent on extras, such as BE, playing with your horses and not essentials, such as living!

Well exactly - if mum and dad are paying for living expenses, livery, transport costs and general horse care expenses then its not too hard to earn enough through part time work to pay entry fees.

Mind you, good on any teenager who does work and contribute to the cost of their horses - for those that don't the real world will come as a bit of a shock!

With regards to the OP, it really doesn't bother me if amateurs want to have websites - they can often be interesting to read and I like looking at pictures. Of course there will always be those who have a totally overinflated sense of their own abilities, but website or no website won't change that and at some point reality will probably come crashing down.

 

[CaleruxShearer]

ollie T keeps his facebook (and website i would assume too) very regularly updated!

Yes K I will back you up on that one

 

[Halfstep]

Darn it, was going to launch "oldgit eventing", there muist be a niche for "down and going oldsters"

I'll join that one if you take dressagers!

 

[help1]

Oh B******r that's put paid to our plans as well. A group of slightly more mature women competitors (definately down, going and everso slightly windy) we were going to call it

The Keep Calm and Carry on Crew, (ladies who appreciate the value of decent foundation garments!!)

 

[Rosiefan]

The Keep Calm and Carry on Crew, (ladies who appreciate the value of decent foundation garments!!)

Loving it

 

[Thistle]

Oh B******r that's put paid to our plans as well. A group of slightly more mature women competitors (definately down, going and everso slightly windy) we were going to call it

The Keep Calm and Carry on Crew, (ladies who appreciate the value of decent foundation garments!!)

Can I join your crew. I already own the required undergarments.

 

[OldGit]

Ah oldgit eventing will take anyone, actually looking back at my results dressage is the only bit I've not been eliminated from!!!!!!

 

[*hic*]

Ah oldgit eventing will take anyone, actually looking back at my results dressage is the only bit I've not been eliminated from!!!!!!

As I'm not certain what foundation undergarments are can I join your team too?

 

[help1]

Can I join your crew. I already own the required undergarments.

You would be welcome Thistle we are having the time of our lives!!