The truth about barefoot

cptrayes

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First some requests. This thread is for serious information for people who want to know it. Please everyone stay reasonable in your responses, be polite to other posters and keep calm, nothing in this refers to you personally or your horse personally. The use of qualifying words like “some” or “most” means just that - some, or most ie “not ALL”. If your particular horse didn’t fit what the text is about, it’s just one of the “not some” or “not most” and does not prove anything by itself. “It looks very likely that most” does not mean that the main statement is not true just because you personally can find an example that doesn’t fit. “Cannot” does not mean “will not” and does not imply ANY wrong on the part of the owner, quite the reverse.

So let’s start with one statement, and if you don’t agree, please read no further, this post is NOT FOR YOU. Shoes damage feet. Most farriers will agree that shoes damage feet. This may, for the lucky horse, extend no further than a bit of nail hole damage, but for the unlucky they will cause navicular syndrome (an outmoded name now, but since most people use it, it will do) and for the majority somewhere between the two. Therefore, I hope we can agree that shoes are a necessary compromise for many owners.

Please stop here and go away if you are unhappy with what you have read so far, I’m not writing this for a fight.

Shoes are an UNnecessary compromise for many owners, who simply believe, like I did until five years ago, what they have been told for decades, that horses need shoes if they are to work. They have become a “right of passage” for young horses, with owners celebrating, as I used to, the passage into adulthood made so very visible (and audible) by shoes. There are thousands of horses in this country doing no more than going from a stable to an arena and back to a stable, who have no need of shoes whatsoever. There are thousands more with great, solid feet who could do all that they do with their owners currently without shoes only the owners just don’t know it.

If you are still with me, let’s go.

Why are horses shod?

Horses are shod because when shoes were invented horses were machines. Barefoot feet require more attention and shoes can keep a horse which might otherwise be unsound ready for battle, to pull your carriage and to plough your field.

Why would they be unsound? A barefoot horse, generally speaking, needs roughly the same level of work all the time. A lengthy time off a particular activity and you will need to build up again gradually. There’s no such luxury if your horse is your war machine or you need to harvest today while the sun is shining.

Shoeing modern horses has nothing whatsoever to do with carrying a rider, amount of work, working on roads, working on tracks or any of those, as experienced barefooters will tell you. It’s a hangover from always needing your horses feet to be fit for work, from when they were machines. And it’s useful for today’s owners, many of whom are simply unable to provide what their particular horse would need to work barefoot.

No I am NOT suggesting that you treat your horse as a machine, but your forebears certainly did.


Genetics

Of course genetics matter. Some breeds, like Arabs, in general find it easier than Throughbreds to go barefoot. Some Arabs have a real problem and some TB’s don’t notice the shoes are gone. Two brother horses may have different ability to go barefoot. Genetics aside individual horses vary wildly in their ability to go barefoot. Experience appears to be showing that one of the principle causes of the huge fluctuation between otherwise similar horses is down to the ability of the horse to digest sugar. More later on that.

I have been sharing my experiences with a group of people over 5 years since I started a daily (practically minute by minute!) blog on what happened to my horses when I took their shoes off, joined by Nic Barker and moving into the founding, by her and Sarah Braithwaite, of the UKNHCP. That group is showing what is happening with hundreds of barefoot working horses. I’m sure there are other groups finding this stuff out too, I’m just telling you about the one I know.

One thing is very clear. Horses without shoes are much more obviously affected (in their feet) by summer grass sugars than shod horses.

Ultrasound and thermography (photos of heat) have now shown that the blood supply below the knee in a shod horse is markedly reduced from that in a barefoot horse. The additional blood supply accounts for why a barefoot horse’s foot replaces itself, usually, in around half the time of a shod horse.

Research is now taking place into laminitis to investigate something that barefooters are beginning to question for themselves – if a barefooter has twice the blood supply, is it delivering twice the toxins to the foot, and therefore causing an inflammation of the laminae earlier in barefoot horses? It looks very likely that the answer to this is yes.

The first sign of laminitis is slight sole sensitivity, and many barefoot horses will feel stones slightly more when they have access to grass sugars during the day in spring and summer. Many barefoot horse owners, as I do, restrict grass intake to the times of day when the bad sugars (fructans) are lowest.

Some horses are drastically more sensitive than this, and their owners struggle to keep sugar out of their diet, providing track systems around the edges of their fields with no grass at all, and feeding dried grasses instead.

Not many people are in a position to provide this environment. It doesn’t make them bad people for shoeing their horses.

It does, however, explain why a lot of horses are fine until they start work, and then “need” shoes – because the timing of the end of the big growing period in horses is exactly when we think they are mature enough to ride. They stop growing so fast, they get a tiny bit laminitic with their reduced need for energy and we mistake that for the work making their feet sore. It happens again at seven or eight, end of growing altogether, when there is another spell when people who have happily worked a horse barefoot for years can suddenly find that they “need “ to shoe for the horse “to cope with its work”.


Can all horses go barefoot?

Most horses CAN go barefoot, but many owners can’t provide what they need to do it.

Many horses can go barefoot easily, most without much trouble, and a much smaller number with much more difficulty. Many owners cannot provide what their particular horse needs for barefoot.

Transition from shoes to shoeless can be painful for the horse unless you can provide unchallenging surfaces at first. In a livery yard, you are stuck with what you’ve got. We are not all lucky enough to have total control over the environment that our horses live in.

Owners of sugar sensitive horses will struggle terribly in a commercial livery yard where they may have to fight the yard owner to stop their horse being fed molassed feeds. Mineral and trace element balances also appear to be crucial to the horses who do the barefoot thing less easily and some are badly affected by chemical worming routines required by livery yards.

Working people struggle to keep up the work levels during the week so that their horse is ready to do what they need at weekends. Turnout is not enough to build the strongest feet, they also need work. If boots won’t work for their horse, those people have no option but to shoe.

Many people need to feel backed up by their farrier and vet, and some farriers and vets are very unsupportive, a few to the point of downright ignorance. Those people won’t be able to go it alone with a barefoot horse unless it does it very easily.

Most barefoot horses who do a lot of work need their feet kept dry for a period every day. Those of us who are most successful with “less easy” cases have “dry turnout”, where the horses can still move around without being in the wet. Barefoot horses need movement to keep their feet growing fast. Many horses would not cope barefoot if in a stable for half the day or more.

Research shows that standing on concrete and on unbedded rubber mats compromises blood supply to a barefoot horse. Bedding choice to keep the feet dry and the frog and sole supported is necessary, but that choice is not available to everyone in a livery yard.

People who need studs have to shoe. Many of us have been surprised at how little we miss studs. I evented up to Novice Affiliated (four foot one xc) and only ever missed my studs in a bone dry, short grass dressage arena.


So before I stop, let’s clear away the obvious responses.

My horse can’t go barefoot because he has weak feet, thin soles, flat feet, cracked feet, odd shape feet, navicular/laminitis and needs remedial shoes.

There is no horse out there with worse cracks, flatter feet, thinner soles and all the rest than horses that have been cured by taking them barefoot. These case studies have been documented on various websites if you would like to research them.


Surely it’s better to shoe if it stops laminitis?

I don't think so. Laminitis – inflammation of the laminae - is a symptom not a disease. The disease is a gut disease, where bacteria jump the wall of the gut into the bloodstream. Even if there isn’t enough blood getting to the feet to cause inflammation of the laminae, those bugs are still circulating in the bloodstream of the horse, causing unknown problems to other tissues in the body. It has been a surprise to many of us how many horses who go into barefoot rehab have behavioural difficulties which disappear as the feet come right. Barefoot believers also prefer to know that the bugs are there and prevent them than to mask the main symptom with shoes.


I tried barefoot and it didn’t work. My horse was sore/his feet cracked/got terribly short.

If your horse got sore, you were unable to provide the full conditions that your particular horse needed to make a success of barefoot. You can put a lot of work into working out why, or you can shoe. Either is a good alternative. If his feet cracked the most likely problem is that they were simply too long because unshod working feet can look VERY short to people used to seeing shoes. If his feet got short but he wasn’t sore – you had it right all the time.


My farrier/vet says my horse will never cope barefoot.

So did mine. They were wrong.



I’m not going to say anything much about the benefits, they really speak for themselves when you take a horse barefoot. The benefits are the reason that so many of us get a bit evangelistic and get so many people’s backs up. Unfortunately, just to say that barefoot is better for a horse than shod can be read as an implication that you as an owner are “mistreating” your horse if you have it shod. There is NO such implication in anything I have written. Better a well shod horse than an uncomfortable barefoot one.

I do hope this helps people understand more about barefoot. If you’d like to discuss it, please let's have a sensible and reasoned discussion.
 
Woah that is a long post. (I have only skim read it - sorry!)
My lad is 18.1, 3/4 shire and slightly on the forehand. He has a whole lot of weight on his front feet. We also do almost totally hacking, a large percentage of it on roads, as to get anywhere I have to go via roads! When I first got him, he was barefoot as he had been out of work for a few months, but had previously always had fronts. I tried to go barefoot for a while, but he was 'footy' on the roads, and never lost that. He was too big to go in the school, so a 'transition' period was very difficult. He now has fronts on. He has seen 3 different farriers, and they all say he has some of the best feet they have ever seen, particually for a shire. I go with the state in which he is happiest, which is fronts.
I have had barefoot horse, horses with fronts, and horses shod all round, and I just go with what suits the horse best.
 
and then there are those of us that don't like to see barefoot horses confined to small 'dry' areas. or narrow passageways but prefer happy, sound and confident out in a large area horses who are shod, or they could be barefoot.
Or barefoot.
whichever suits an indiidual horse better. One size does not fit all as you are trying to suggest.
And some of us don't believe in the 'laminitis' theory for all lame barefoot horses or that abcesses are an acceptable price to pay.
And barefoot owners are often blind to subtle lamenesses as they are determined it is just because they are barefoot. So it works both ways.
Speaking as the owner of 2 shod and 2 Shoeless horses, all done by my farrier and 3/4 perfectly sound. no. 4 a non related issue causing lameness.
With young horses, yes, see if they can cope with no shoes. I believe many more could than are given the chance to.
With older horses who are used to shoes and are sore for a year, and sometimes never right, I think it is downright cruel to force them to go through a 'transition' period, and fail to see why pain killers are not given to horses during a 'transition' if it must be made.
And perhaps all who want to go shoeless should apply the same standards to themselves. It's more natural for humans to not have shoes on after all...but people wouldn't put themselves throught it.
 
A very interesting read - thank you! My boy has always been shod, and is immediately footsore if he loses one and is left out in the field for even the rest of the day. He is remedially shod to help compensate for slight arthritis in the hind fetlocks, but he has very 'good' feet, not at all crumbly and very strong. I have wondered if he could make the transition to barefoot, but have never been convinced that the changeover and the difficulties of doing so would be worth it. In honesty I have not taken the time to thoroughly research it as I have never been convinced that shoeing was inherently damaging to him. I have worked in the USA on a 'dude ranch' where none of the horses were shod and none had any issues whatsoever with grip or with becoming footsore.

What is the consensus on roadwork and barefoot? He struggles if his road nails wear down, I wonder what kind of grip he would have if he had no shoes?
 
ps-vets and farriers have a long history of dealing with horses, and contrary to popular barefoot belief most have the horses welfare at heart and have undergone extensive training that has been developed over time, barefoot is fairly recent so whether or not it will need tweaks is still unclear and until the practitioners are better regulated you have very little idea if whoever comes out will know anything and not do too much damage.
 
I think to be fair cptrayes is trying to put up a thread telling people some stuff about barefoot and answering some common questions. All these comments about farriers training, myths about how barefoot horses are kept (restricted areas for example) etc etc have been done to death on other threads.
I'm not particularly interested myself, I have barefoot horses and know what I'm about there. It does seem to me though that it wouldn't hurt to just let people who are interested in the barefoot point of view and want to discuss it do just that, without getting back into the old pro/anti debates again?
 
QR..Shoeing to stop laminitis, i believe shoes+ hard ground caused laminitus in one of our ponies this summer.
 
My TB is barefoot, and has been all of the time that I've had him. He had been out of work before I got him and wasn't shod then. I have no idea how long he'd been without shoes, nor how he coped when he first went without them. He was sound in the field and became ill within a couple of weeks of me getting him, which meant that I just had him trimmed instead of shod as planned when the farrier came, as I didn't know when I would be riding him, and him being fine without them, it seemed pointless forking out £70 on shoes that weren't going to be used. He's had a few problems meaning that we haven't ridden out much, but I do walk him out on the roads several times a week, and as of yet he's not unomfortable being barefoot. My farrier visits every 8 weeks, and agrees that whilst he's managing fine without them there's no point in having them on. He even walks up and down the gravel drive without a second thought. If, however our workload increased or another factor meant that he was uncomfortable I wouldn't hesitate to have him shod on my farriers reommendation, as his comfort is my only concern.
 
As someone who haw used shoes, and not used shoes, I have concerns about the formation of abcesses in the foot, which are more common in unshod horses. I would also suggest that the best people to look after a horses foot, with regard to its balance etc. is a fully qualified farrier. I have real concerns about unregistered people 'trimming' horses feet. The 'evangelical' 'barefoot' school of thinking can lead to such dreadful practices as the Strasser method.
 
if a horse doesnt need shoes, im all for it not wearing shoes. what i am against, however, is someone being let loose with a knife and a rasp whilst declaring they are qualified, often by a week long / couple of months course. its just not good enough. our farriers complete 4years and 2months of training, plus their forging certificate, including advanced anatomy, physiology and conformation training, and are therefore the people who should be trimming such horses, not some advocate of a 50 /100 /200 hour course. its just not good enough!
if your farrier is trimming your horse, fair play. if not, you need to question your motives for using your current ''trimmer''.
 
I have a qualified farrier to trim/shoe my horses and ponies !!
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An interesting read. I have had shoes and barefoot, and I prefer the lad's way of going barefoot, mostly, I curse on stony ground.

I didn't see (may have missed) the barefoot person's opinion on "my horse is working more/on harder ground than he was and he is footsore". What is the barefooters answer to that? Hoof boots? A big expense, for sure, and not guaranteed to be right for the horse. Change your workload? Why? When shoes will do?

(Just providing something for OP to answer, not trying to cause a bun fight)

My personal opinion is that barefoot trimmers would be a lot better respected if they worked with the NFC to produce a minimum standard or set of regulations, training, something, ANYTHING to mean that trimmers are all fully trained and qualified. Personally I think it needs a change to the farriery act, so that it is enforced by law. Working with NFC would also minimise the bun fight that sadly some barefooters stoop to. Farriers train for FIVE years. And its not just in how to trim a foot to fit a shoe.
 
A very interesting and informative read (whichever side of the fence you are on), thank you for taking the time to write about your findings.

I will watch this thread with interest
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Me too - read all of your very long post and it was really interesting and balanced.
Must admit my main concern is the person trimming the hoof and their qualifications. I had a pony who for years went without shoes and was just trimmed by normal farrier but this was in the days before barefoot. He was perfectly fine. Does it have to be a 'barefoot' trimmer to go without shoes or will a normal farrier do? Sorry for my ignorance.
 
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A very interesting and informative read (whichever side of the fence you are on), thank you for taking the time to write about your findings.

I will watch this thread with interest
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Exactly what she said
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qr I have two barefoot and two with fronts.
my cob was barefoot for years, my farrier's not anti, in fact he advised strongly against shoeing one of the ponies, but Arch just had sore feet, and that was that, with shoes, he's fine.
My vote is with whatever suits the horse.
 
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A very interesting and informative read (whichever side of the fence you are on), thank you for taking the time to write about your findings.

I will watch this thread with interest
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I agree. I certainly feel I know a bit more about the subject now, although I don't feel it would suit my horse and our lifestyle.
 
We have one shod all round - I cannot keep the steady workload needed (slipped on road and cracked arm, fell on head and can't ride for x number of weeks). Due to pelvis issues, the vets would rather that she is shod to provide the support, especailly on the back end. Currently effectively turned away and is barefoot for the duration.

One was shod in front only - laminitic pone. He's been barefoot for four months now. We have to manage his lammi anyway
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, which we do by a day and a night in and a day and a night out. He's now retired and will remain barefoot.

One barefoot all his life. He's a cob, now six years old. Everyone that sees his feet falls in love with them - technically sound as a pound
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. Very unlikely to ever need to shoe him ('need' as in our version of need). Grip on the roads is the best out of any of the horses.

Our farrier is happy to do whatever it is the horse needs doing. He has no issues with any of them being barefoot. He trims accordingly.
 
I asked my farrier a few years ago about barefoot, he asked if I did much road work, to which I replied yes, his reply was, "his feet would be fukked in a week", I always go with what my farrier says, as he is the proffesional who has all the training and has shod my daughters horses for years and a lot of my friends horses.
He wouldn't tell me how to do my job.
That doesnt mean I slag off people with barefoot horses, if it works for them and the animal is healthy with it, I dont have a problem with it, I think too many people have closed minds in the horsey game to "other ways", as long as the animal is happy and healthy I stick with "what works for you".
 
I'm sorry, I also only skim read it as its long!

Quick query - does anyone know if there is any proof that shod horses are much more prone to navicular than barefoot horses?

Have to say that I very much support horses being unshod. I hate having shoes on my horses as the shoes themselves haven't been modernised for so long! I hate metal, it must cause such bad concussion up the leg. I know my current horse feels so much nicer to ride over the winter when his shoes are taken off, his paces feel so much springier. Sadly I have to put shoes on him the rest of the year as he does a lot of BE and BSJA so needs them for studs
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I'd love a day when I could put hoof boots on him (with studs in) and compete like that but rules dont allow them yet.

I competed my Welsh Cob for his first 2 years shoe-less (not "barefoot" trimmed, just farrier trimmed) but again, shoes had to go on as he began losing confidence slipping when jumping.

My 2 retired ponies are both barefoot trimmed. Both ponies had problems with their hooves and now the feet have improved amazingly. One pony looks fantastic, she's totally sound. The other one I'm not so sure its worked for... He used to be shod but since being barefoot, he's very lame on hard ground. He's been confirmed as having cushings a fortnight ago so is on Pergolide. Im hoping this'lll bring him sound. If not, then I may have to try having him shod again to see if it helps.

Barefoot works for some but not others, same as shoeing. I do think keeping a horse shoe-less should be the norm though, SO many leisure horses could go without shoes. Too many people automatically shoe their horses for no real reason.
 
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Are there any horses competing au natural at the top levels? Have you ever seen a horse at Badminton without shoes?
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Actually, I would like an answer to this as well. It is not just the competing, I was wondering whether an unshod hoof could withstand the level of training required to get to this level - does anyone know?

I tend to think that you don't see marathon runners going 'barefoot' and I for one would not keen to 'transition' to life without shoes myself
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But I agree that most horses are just pottering around the place, really, so many of them probably don't need shoes, but I don't think its a big issue, to be honest
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all I can say from my personal experience is that my pony was incredibly un happy barefoot. We tried it for three months and he become reluctant to walk on any surface but grass. He looked down and depressed throughout. Shoes went back on last weekend and I have my old pony back. He now dances along our stoney tracks (when not running along!).

The only benifits I experinced from barefoot was that it gave the opportunity to address some foot balance issues and allowed his heels to spread as previous farrier had shod them way to closed in.

My pony is kept on moreland grass, ridden 5 days a week from 1 hour upto 5 hours per day, was kept on DH no mollasses and cereal feed for the last ten years plus.

I honestly dont get the statement that shod horses owners find it easier than un shod horses to feed sugar and cereals.

One thing I think fhat the barefoot and treeless (tried that as well and pony hated it) has. brought to the horse world is thinking out side the box. Which is to be welcome its just a shame if the same people then get stuck inside their box!
 
Thank you to the people who told me what I wrote was useful to them.

The answer to the questions worth answering are that one horse has competed in this country at Advanced Eventing barefoot. They couldn't keep him sound with them on.

The UKNCHP have worked with the farriers and indded UKNHCP courses give points for Continuous Professional Development to Farriers.
 
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Thank you. So am I right in thinking that what you say there is that UKNHCP courses are available to farriers, who can gain CPD points from them?

Are UKNHCP the main recognised body for barefoot trimmers? Do they have a code of practice and a registered members list (Like the NFC does)?

Is there any move being made to force every barefoot trimmer to be qualified in some way shape or form? Would UKNHCP support this?

Again, not trying to be aggressive in these questions, just things I would like to know, and think others on here would too
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FWIW I am "for" natural horsemanship, and joined here to try to provide some very reasoned posts to the "non-believers" and people who labour under common misaprehensions. Much as I think you are trying to do for barefoot, so I completely see where you are coming from
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Both the horses in my sig are barefoot and have been competed to pre-novice level. One of the big issues I have found being barefoot is everyone else's views. If the horses struggle with something in their training, everyone around you (instructors etc) automatically put it down to being because they are barefoot.

I think you have to be very thick skinned to stay barefoot and compete as an amateur at affiliated level.

It isn't always straightforward to find someone to trim correctly. There are good and bad farriers and trimmers. I have had experience with both. I really do believe that some horses who have been unable to cope barefoot may have been incorrectly trimmed.
 
I skimmed it too, lazy eh, although get the point.

I try to keep my horses barefoot where I can however we tried with one of our current horses for nearly a year, a year without work because he was footy and sore all that time just on grass

If I had a youngster I would probably keep it barefoot but for a 14yr old who was just miserable I think keeping his shoes on was the best option, ok maybe a year isnt long enough but to keep a large horse as a pet doing nothing because we are waiting to see if no shoes will ever actually work just isnt practical

I agree with the posts that say its great for some but just not for others
 
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