The truth about the Horse Hoarder

That's why is asked if anyone thought the RSPCA would confirm it BillieBlitzen. I wonder if they would? Or even if they wouldn't speculate from photos (which its likely they wouldn't) would the court report be released and be accessible (like Spindles Farm was) so it could be figured out what he was actually guilty of? It would be interesting of so.
 
Whether or not those photos are of his horses... he has still been found guilty of neglect and seems to be illegally squatting on the land hes on now, so I really don't see how or why he should be left with any horses never mind reducing the numbers to under 10 mares, when he apparently doesn't have even a basic knowledge of care/worming, even an idiot, if they saw their horses looking like that would think something is wrong and also because he's squatting where he is hes also got nowhere to keep them. I think he knew full well what he was doing.
 
FionaM12 said:
Are you sure it said 8 years? He was evicted from the Mostyn Estate in 2009.
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He was evicted in 2009 but had been there 35yrs (by the looks of it).

http://daily-post.vlex.co.uk/vid/estate-bully-farm-tenant-vows-eviction-70640175

A DISTRAUGHT tenant farmer was last night facing eviction from the land he has occupied for 35 years.

Clwyd Davies, who turned 65 yesterday, claimed he is being forced out by Mostyn Estates after his rent was almost doubled.

He now fears his beloved horses and ponies will be sold off cheaply or left to run wild on his 39-acre holding at Bryn Digrif Farm, Trelogan, near Holywell.

Mr Davies yesterday won an eleventh-hour legal attempt to delay tomorrow's eviction by 28 days.

"I have no intention of retiring," he said.

"They want me to sit in a quiet corner and die. But farming is in …
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DizzyDoughnut said:
Whether or not those photos are of his horses... he has still been found guilty of neglect and seems to be illegally squatting on the land hes on now, so I really don't see how or why he should be left with any horses never mind reducing the numbers to under 10 mares,
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^^^This if he were a gypsy, I wonder if people would feel differently? He is effectively fly grazing after all!
 
DizzyDoughnut said:
Whether or not those photos are of his horses... he has still been found guilty of neglect and seems to be illegally squatting on the land hes on now, so I really don't see how or why he should be left with any horses never mind reducing the numbers to under 10 mares, when he apparently doesn't have even a basic knowledge of care/worming, even an idiot, if they saw their horses looking like that would think something is wrong and also because he's squatting where he is hes also got nowhere to keep them. I think he knew full well what he was doing.
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The neglect that he has been convicted of is of a completely different level to the neglect shown in those photos. Don't go down the route of 'neglect is neglect' because it isn't. Not in the eyes of the law or any sensible person. It matters a great deal if those pictures aren't connected to him as this will change things entirely and so it should.
 
BillieBlitzen said:
The neglect that he has been convicted of is of a completely different level to the neglect shown in those photos. Don't go down the route of 'neglect is neglect' because it isn't. Not in the eyes of the law or any sensible person. It matters a great deal if those pictures aren't connected to him as this will change things entirely and so it should.
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True, but the photo released by the RSPCA is comparable to those.

I would really like to know if those are his ponies. I've no idea if it's possible to find out?
 
FionaM12 said:
Are you sure it said 8 years? He was evicted from the Mostyn Estate in 2009.
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/WALES...+me+off+farm;+Tenant,+65,+vows+to...-a0192611
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I'm sure I read somewhere it was 8 years but it could easily be an error Ive read a lot about this over the last few days the program states 3 years ago so you are right!! My apologies I am certainly happy to be corrected. The program write up does say that he is squatting in a derelict farm house.

Pensioner Clwyd Davies harbours a compulsion to hoard horses. Squatting in a derelict farmhouse without heating, electricity or warm water, he dedicates his every waking moment to caring for the 52 untamed horses he has collected, and in some cases bred.

Forgoing the most rudimentary comforts of modern living, Clwyd, who's 68, maintains an extraordinary existence; not in the remote countryside, but on a housing estate on the edge of Wrexham, where his eccentricities appear to make him invisible to his neighbours.

His is a tale of just one outsider, the likes of which exist in almost every British town. No one knows who they are and why they lead such isolated lives, and usually no one bothers to find out.

For Clwyd, there is one exception: Michelle Crowther, who's 44, runs a livery stables and also rescues horses. She has struck up a friendship with Clwyd, recognising a kindred spirit in his devotion to his horses.

Despite Clwyd's evident affinity with the horses, Michelle has recognised that he is struggling to care for both the horses and himself, so she begins to help him.

But Clwyd discovers someone else has taken an interest: he has been anonymously reported to the RSPCA for neglect and cruelty to animals. He faces having his horses removed, prosecution and a potential prison sentence if he does not comply.

This documentary follows Clwyd's battle, with Michelle's support, to keep his horses.

It explores the events in his past that have led this one-time award-winning horse breeder and family man to isolate himself and live rough in squalid conditions with only horses and pigeons for company, and asks questions of a society that can sometimes appear to put the needs of animals above those of humans.
 
FionaM12 said:
True, but the photo released by the RSPCA is comparable to those.

I would really like to know if those are his ponies. I've no idea if it's possible to find out?
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Really? Are they? Comparable to a horse left with a broken leg and rotting carcasses? Hardly.....
 
I feel thT someone needs to get the company involved with the programme to make a follow up programme and not just visit Cywd but normal horse owners off here too for a more biased view of horse ownership
 
glesni said:
A horse with a broken leg and a rotten carcase are comparible..... the horse with the broken leg could soon become a rotting carcase. He cant look after himself never mind horses. end of
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You appear to have missed my point. I think it was suggested that in the photos the RSPCA had released of Clwyds horses the animals were in a comparable state to the ones in the very distressing thread. The ones released by the RSPCA show thin, wormy horses that need a farrier. I was suggesting those pictures were not comparable neglect to a horse with a broken leg or rotting carcasses.... Different level of neglect entirely.

Please keep up.
 
BillieBlitzen said:
You appear to have missed my point. I think it was suggested that the photos the RSPCA had released of Clwyds horses were in a comparable state to the ones in the very distressing thread. The ones released by the RSPCA show thin, wormy horses that need a farrier. I was suggesting those pictures were not comparable neglect to a horse with a broken leg or rotting carcasses.... Different level of neglect entirely.

Please keep up.
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I think we're talking about different photos, Billie. could you give me a link to the ones you've seen please? Thanks!
 
Please don't fall into the very naive and foolish viewpoint of 'neglect is neglect' because you will end up looking like a moron.

Neglect isn't neglect. Not in the eyes of the law or any reasonable person.

Leaving my dog without water for one day would be classed as neglect. Leaving my dog without water for four days would be neglect. One of those would be more likely to result in death of the animal and is therefore a more serious charge.

Neglect isn't neglect. There are varying degrees.
 
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With the Rileyboy thread, didn't somebody find the picture that he posted, on google? Could somebody not check this picture the same way- to see if it's not a random google picture- I don't know how to do it, but at least that might try and show if it is/is not genuine?
 
Hoarding is a mental illness, and, from what little I know about it, the hoarders really believe that no one will look after their animals better than they can.

I do not believe he is a horse lover at all. To have horses in the numbers he has and to allow them to breed indiscriminately is not loving the animals.

It seems that the filming for this took place in the summer where I would expect the horses to look as they did. Be different this time of the year.

I have no time at all for the RSPCA and they made themselves look tight idiots and certainly had little clue as to how to handle the horses.

I do not care who he is, he has no sympathy from me. I leave that for the horses.
If I were making a donation it would be in the form of wormers or hay.
 
glesni said:
ITS NEGLECT
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No-one (including Michelle who's helping him) is denying he's neglected horses. The question is how severe the neglect is, and whether it will continue in the future.

We have no idea if those awful photos with the dead ones and the mare with a broken leg are his ponies. They might not be. But if they are, his "neglect" is of a far worse level than suspected before.
 
BillieBlitzen said:
The neglect that he has been convicted of is of a completely different level to the neglect shown in those photos. Don't go down the route of 'neglect is neglect' because it isn't. Not in the eyes of the law or any sensible person. It matters a great deal if those pictures aren't connected to him as this will change things entirely and so it should.
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I wasn't saying they weren't a different level of neglect....
 
Surely the convictions for neglect/cruelty are known, the photographs supposedly of his horses posted by someone who claims she was on his land some years ago either were,or were not reported to RSPCA or whoever. Carcasses of dead animals, do not necessarily indicate the neglect of horses, they do indicate improper disposal of fallen stock. There is nothing to indicate the date and place that those pictures were taken.
 
I believe he loves his horses but think the supporters are misguided and are doing these horses no favours with their support for this "poor old man".

Evidence of a dead foal as he had introduced another herd and stallion was enough for me! Such a irresponsible thing to do.
 
glesni said:
I personally would not leave any animal without water for one day, 2 days or whatever. It appears that certain people on this forum see nothing wrong in the way these horses are kept. He is an old man who has had a tragedy, lets defend him and send him money. Also being new to this forum there are some very unfriendly belittling people who I have no altenative other than to press the ignore button.
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I think you have misunderstood what people have been saying, no-one is condoning neglect, but neither are they accepting pictures posted on an internet site as evidence. I doubt if anyone on these boards are sending him any money.
 
glesni said:
I personally would not leave any animal without water for one day, 2 days or whatever. It appears that certain people on this forum see nothing wrong in the way these horses are kept. He is an old man who has had a tragedy, lets defend him and send him money. Also being new to this forum there are some very unfriendly belittling people who I have no altenative other than to press the ignore button.
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I honestly don't think anyone here thinks there was nothing wrong with how his horses were kept. I've not seen any posts saying that. :confused:
 
I think you all need to see the responses to the post again, the original poster has now stated who they are (and can be checked by there IP address) and also the dates on the photo have been checked (not sure how but someone on there has stated this??) I won't post my feelings again on here as I have already posted them on there :)
 
Am I the only one to think that to leave Clywd with 10 plus horses after reducing numbers is still far too many for him to care for properly? I have my own land (bought and paid for) and keep 2 mares. My husband works and it's a still struggle to make sure they have everything they need. Perhaps the programme makers should have visited in the depths of winter to see what forage the horses are given, I would suspect that it is very little or none.
 
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