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1stclassalan

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Though I realise that this is an extreme Horsey site - there are quite a few momentus happening around the world - Iraq still going on, Afghanistan - not mention Pakistan and associated 'stans all in ferment. Then we have the much vaunted "Arab Spring" which has taken us into autumn without a conclusion with us Brits supplying a goodly amount of miltary power. What do all you young'uns think of it all?

Have a think about NATO - if you're aware - it stands for North Atlantic Treaty Organisation - it's now fighting a war in the Meditteranean on a very dubious format - probably long overdue in my opinion but is it right?
 
Ahhh but we can make a difference !!!! personaly the first thing I wold like sorted out is our own country the mass uniployment we are importing people to do jobs because the local feather beded feckless doley isnt told to get up off their backsides or no bennifit.. and then there is the very poor arangement with the EU that is killing us economicly the human rights and all the laws that are destroying our industy and agriculture, maybe Then we can afford to interfere with other peoples bussiness perhaps???
 
perfect11s said:
Ahhh but we can make a difference !!!! personaly the first thing I wold like sorted out is our own country the mass uniployment we are importing people to do jobs because the local feather beded feckless doley isnt told to get up off their backsides or no bennifit.. and then there is the very poor arangement with the EU that is killing us economicly the human rights and all the laws that are destroying our industy and agriculture, maybe Then we can afford to interfere with other peoples bussiness perhaps???
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Would you care to expand that Perfect ? How would you go about solving the unemployment figures? What jobs are being done by imported people that could be done by our resident folks if they only got off their backsides? What part of our arrangement with the E.U. do you find poor - explain how this is killing us economically.

Before you start, I'll have to mention that ANY law originating in the E.U. has to be fully mandated by our Westminster parliament BEFORE it becomes Law here and I will also tell you quite plainly that the E.U. gets a very bad and unfair press on this issue as many of the stupid clauses you may have seen come to light are British additions.
 
1stclassalan, that is the most informed and well-balanced post on the EU that I have ever seen on this forum! God, I get so bored with the endless whining about how it's all the EU's fault, blahblahblahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh;)

My view on many of the issues that you raise is that I don't have enough information to have an informed opinion - and an uninformed opinion is not something to be shared.
 
My farrier and I were having a briefly intelligent conversation tonight, he said that when England was bankrupt and Robin Hood was operating, it was due to the country ruining itself fighting foreign wars.

This historical fact was based on the film Robin Hood - Prince of Thieves, but I feel still has some merit. Anyway we both decided history definitely repeats itself!!!
 
On the subject of employment in the UK or otherwise, I was interested to see a report (no, not in the DM!) that a security firm in Coventry is expanding and advertised 20 jobs. They thought they would be inundated with applicants...

They had two calls. For £400 a week plus good promotion prospects. The CE is gobsmacked.

And if a Latvian or Pole grabs those offers, someone will say, no doubt, "They're taking all our jobs".
 
It never fails to surprise me, how we interfere, in the lives of others, but then become a little cross, when they reach in and touch us.

When we in the West, learn that to protect our boundaries, and sanity, then all that we have to do is leave others alone, then we will live more peaceful lives.

Alec.
 
As one of the Hitchens pointed out (dunno which one, can't stand either of them normally) on the radio last week, what will happen if (er, when) China and India become super powers and say 'actually Britain, we don't like the way you do things' and start dropping bombs and invading?
 
1stclassalan said:
Would you care to expand that Perfect ? How would you go about solving the unemployment figures? What jobs are being done by imported people that could be done by our resident folks if they only got off their backsides? What part of our arrangement with the E.U. do you find poor - explain how this is killing us economically.

Before you start, I'll have to mention that ANY law originating in the E.U. has to be fully mandated by our Westminster parliament BEFORE it becomes Law here and I will also tell you quite plainly that the E.U. gets a very bad and unfair press on this issue as many of the stupid clauses you may have seen come to light are British additions.
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Well basicly if you could and dont work the rent wont get paid and the food beer fags and sky subs wont be either so work is the option or the hostel, and tax non residents so economic tempoary migration stops along with money going out of the county, I would increase the minimum wage to £10 hr index linked because if you work it should be a living wage, Not even going there on the corupt expensive EU and how much we put in and how little we get back and yes I aggree we can make some silly destructive laws on our own the climate act is the worst so far .. mind its nice to think all of us are contrubuting to camerons inlaws to be paid for having useless windmills planted on there estate, nice to see the electric bils skyrocketing for such a worhty cause oh well we can import french electricity and russian gas it will go nicely with all the chinese tat that runs off it....
 
Spudlet said:
1stclassalan, that is the most informed and well-balanced post on the EU that I have ever seen on this forum! God, I get so bored with the endless whining about how it's all the EU's fault, blahblahblahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh;)

My view on many of the issues that you raise is that I don't have enough information to have an informed opinion - and an uninformed opinion is not something to be shared.
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I think people just need to use their heads and look around as to what's happening ... to industy and agriculture.. and some people need to take less notice of the DM
and other distructive rags!!!!
 
well they've nearly got there i libya, but what comes after, surely it must be something more civilised than blowing up planes over scotland? no doubt it won't be an easy transition to democracy, birth never is easy.

syria, their own leader has deliberately massacred the population and they have not had a great deal of support from other arab states so far, what comes next, the syrians want rid.

the eu is lucky to have germany, who without it would probably disintegrate financially, not sure about that though?, but heard on the radio that the germans had finally succeeded in governing europe after two world wars had failed to achieve the same result, tickled me that!
 
siennamum said:
My farrier and I were having a briefly intelligent conversation tonight, he said that when England was bankrupt and Robin Hood was operating, it was due to the country ruining itself fighting foreign wars.

This historical fact was based on the film Robin Hood - Prince of Thieves, but I feel still has some merit. Anyway we both decided history definitely repeats itself!!!
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It's actually quite difficult to prove bankruptcy for a country - all the government has to do is - print more money! And they all do - that's how economies expand, putting it crudely. World finances simply couldn't operate anymore by physically shifting lumps of gold about and besides - there isn't enough in the entire globe for a couple of week's worth of Financial Futures trading just in London!

Robin Hood is a character of fiction - though he is often protrayed as Robin of Loxley a dispossessed minor Saxon lord in the years following Conquest - imagine that - one day everything was Saxon - the next Norman French. This carried on until Richard the First and his half brother Prince John ( he gets a lot of bad press because he wasn't very decisive in comparison with his swashbuckling elder bros - but funnily enough the big guy was a queer as a cuckoo - probably why his statue is outside the House of Commons! haha) King Richard hardly spent a day here in England while king - but he kept sending home for more money - parents of students know how this feels! Hence Prince John stay-at-home had to collect the taxes.

Normally going aboard fighting wars when you were as good at it as Richard was - made you piles of cash but unfortunately he was only bashing heads to prove a point and trying to capture Jerusalem from the Arabs and was finally soundly thrashed when Osma bin Saladin organised things better. Richard was captured by the Archduke of Austria and put up for ransom in the sum of 150,000 silver marks - three year's worth of GNP back then - much of this money came from Jews living in York ( seemed fair as Tel Aviv wasn't an option) in return for tolerance - this worked until the 1200's when the townsfolk rose up and slaughtered the lot - no doubt our Germanic traits working themselves out!
 
perfect11s said:
Well basicly if you could and dont work the rent wont get paid and the food beer fags and sky subs wont be either so work is the option or the hostel, and tax non residents so economic tempoary migration stops along with money going out of the county,
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So basically you would remove benefit from the type of folk most likely to turn to a life of crime! The first riot would cost the country many times what you saved. And if your are refering to non-domiciled workers - theatening to tax them while drive them away to other countries that will continue to accept their tax status on the grounds of the business benefits they generate.

I would increase the minimum wage to £10 hr index linked because if you work it should be a living wage,
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Who's going to pay for that? You've just upped the RPI by about 10% !

Not even going there on the corupt expensive EU and how much we put in and how little we get back and yes I aggree we can make some silly destructive laws on our own
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Peace is worth paying for.

the climate act is the worst so far .. mind its nice to think all of us are contrubuting to camerons inlaws to be paid for having useless windmills planted on there estate, nice to see the electric bils skyrocketing for such a worhty cause oh well we can import french electricity and russian gas it will go nicely with all the chinese tat that runs off it....
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I think I caught a tiny glimpse of a little green eye in there.
 
tristar said:
well they've nearly got there i libya, but what comes after, surely it must be something more civilised than blowing up planes over scotland?
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Now, I'm not usually on the side of Conspriacy but if that aeroplane was truly blown up by a bomb in a radio cassette player put on there by old M'agraki - I'll eat my hat and it's not a pretty sight!

I doubt whether Libya will have democracy - I mean do we?

syria, their own leader has deliberately massacred the population and they have not had a great deal of support from other arab states so far, what comes next, the syrians want rid.
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Hmm.... some Syrians want rid - the rest rather like the bloke. The problem is most of the countries in the middle east were drawn up by British civil servants after a very good lunch - which guaranteed warring tribes endless disputes.

the eu is lucky to have germany, who without it would probably disintegrate financially, not sure about that though?, but heard on the radio that the germans had finally succeeded in governing europe after two world wars had failed to achieve the same result, tickled me that!
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Quite true - you've actually far more chance of ruling the world by trade than bombs - don't kill the bad guys - sell them a washing machine and a fridge!
 
1stclassalan said:
So basically you would remove benefit from the type of folk most likely to turn to a life of crime! The first riot would cost the country many times what you saved. A in my world we will have a police force, not afraid of a few lazy soap dogers and crusty leftys they wont be a load of policical corect social workers any more .... And if your are refering to non-domiciled workers - theatening to tax them while drive them away to other countries that will continue to accept their tax status on the grounds of the business benefits they generate.A im talking about the low skiled but motivated workers that will be pushed aside by the newly without benifit lot that suddenly need a job!!


Who's going to pay for that? You've just upped the RPI by about 10% ! A they wont be a drain on the social and the money they earn would stay here not go back to eastern europe!!!




Peace is worth paying for. A its going to erupt in flames when it goes bust after the krauts get fed up with paying the southen states to idle and lay in the sun

I think I caught a tiny glimpse of a little green eye in there.
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A no problem with people getting wealthy or hanging on to it but when its a con like the windmills and the goverment is looking after its own thats coruption !!!
 
CaveCanem said:
As one of the Hitchens pointed out (dunno which one, can't stand either of them normally) on the radio last week, what will happen if (er, when) China and India become super powers and say 'actually Britain, we don't like the way you do things' and start dropping bombs and invading?
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Simply not going to happen. Not least because our Vanguard(Trident) Submarines would make the price too costly even for China.
 
Urrhh..and how many,exactly ,Tridents do our Royal Navy have?? Successive governments have decimated our Navy to the extent it is a joke. As a child with a Royal Navy officer father I can remember Devonport with long lines of ships in the harbour,a magnificent sight,as was the Spithead Revue..I was on Vanguard as a five year old.Today any Spithead Revue would`nt muster much would it?
 
EAST KENT said:
Urrhh..and how many,exactly ,Tridents do our Royal Navy have?? Successive governments have decimated our Navy to the extent it is a joke. As a child with a Royal Navy officer father I can remember Devonport with long lines of ships in the harbour,a magnificent sight,as was the Spithead Revue..I was on Vanguard as a five year old.Today any Spithead Revue would`nt muster much would it?
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Not many !! mind surely you agree with Cameron that the foreign aid buget must be maintained and we keep paying in to the EU, both great value for the uk tax payer and gives one a warm feeling knowing foreign dictators and
EU comissioners alike are kept in the style they have become acustomed to, instead of wasting it on our armed forces!!!!!
 
EAST KENT said:
Actually it `s FOUR!! As the last one Vengeance was in 1999 I imagine they`ll soon be scrapped! How pathetic our defences now are.
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Yes the whole defence situation depresses me too.. I guess there are a lot of tory voters feeling a little sick at the way things are going.. this issue and other fails in policy... they lost my vote when they elected cameron and rebranded as blue labour ... they lurched to the left of center just when we needed them to be conservtives...
 
1stclassalan said:
Now, I'm not usually on the side of Conspriacy but if that aeroplane was truly blown up by a bomb in a radio cassette player put on there by old M'agraki - I'll eat my hat and it's not a pretty sight!
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?? Care to expand?

In all honesty I don't, rightly or wrongly, spend a lot of time thinking about this sort of stuff, but I do find it interesting :)

J&C
 
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