I am quite certian the accent you were hearing was a thick Boston accent. I highly doubt he was trying to pull an Irish one.
Tbh I think it is hard for alot of people to understand how Americans call themsleves "Irish" , "Norwegian", "Italian" etc when they may have never set foot there. The fact is though that alot of people here love identifying with their ancestry and especially the Irish decendants have developed quite a sub culture here and are very proud of where their "great great" grandparents or whatever the case may be have come from.
I am quite certain that they have nothing in common with modern Irish people of today but to trivialise how they feel about where their blood comes from is rude imo. In the US almost everyones blood has been imported from somewhere at some point in the past (unless you are true full blood native American) It is just how people indentify themselves here and not to be mocked.
I am nearly all Norwegian blood (but fora small part of Native American and French from my grandmother) Many of the Residnets from Wisconsin are. I have never been to Norway but alot of influences of old world Norway have made areas of where I live what they are today.
Open up your mind a bit. That man was just proud of who he is
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I didn't tell the full story...
He had spent the previous 10 mins demonstrating his ignorance on ireland (barely knew where it was) and its history. He had openly supported terrorism (bet his opinion has changed since 2001) and his connection with Ireland was so tenuous as to be non-existent. I might as well have claimed to be African-English on the grounds that all humans originated there...
I am not implying that he was not ignorant and I seriously doubt he could show you Ireland on a map. I just understand how he can call himself "Irish" is all and it really is a culture all it's own here with any group classed by heritage.
Sort of like Black Americans calling themselves "African Americans"
They will most likely never travel to Africa and many know little about serious politics and what have you going on in various African countries. They are just identifying with something and if they are proud of it for whatever reason I could care less and would not mock them.
Now my first daughter on the other hand IS African American as her Father was born in an actual African country and is from Togo. She could be a citizen of Togo if she chose.
My other two youngest are Scots for the very same reason that their father is from Scotland
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They are "authentics" in a sense
lord...I just realsied that I am an international sleep around
Amazing - from gypsies to Brad Pitt in one session.
Ok, the gypsies I was refering to were what you would call Romany Gypsies. The tinkers were irish - yeah, they made money tarmacing & burning copper wire. Travellers: broad description for anyone living unconventional life on the road (including those in buses and converted ambulances etc).
My point is that please dont define "gypsies" as being a type of people who are all bad with horses. Im not refering to anyone posting here, its just that i come across it a fair bit. eg my neighbour cussing the gypsies who were keeping 2 yearlings in nearby field last winter, saying how appallingly thin they were. The colts had 6" thick woolly coats so it was impossible to gauge their true weight. The beasties were fine, but the PRESUMPTION was that because they were owned by gypo's they were malnourished and in need of rescue. Argh, gets my goat....
This is perhaps too touchy a subject to debate. Back to Brad Pitt then....
On the contrary, I very much doubt you will have too many people criticise Romany gypsies on here....certainly not from me anyway. I knew a couple with a little boy when I lived in Hants/Berks. They were wonderful to their animals, the lived in a beautiful traditional caravan wagon and they were always always clean and tidy.
I left the pub one night very late and drove home past where they were camped out - what did I see? Large buckets of water for the horses; who were tethered at the best grazing area and what else? The table was set for 3 places, had a jug of orange juice (I presume), milk jug and teacups. It was then covered over with see-through clean polythene and clipped onto the table.
Lovely lovely folks and anyone who lives in the North Hampshire/Southwest Berkshire area will definitely know this really sweet family.
*Darn blooming HHO back-up!! This post might come through more than once. Sorry. *
Threads go from one subject to another alot of the time on here. I think it is perfectly fine to speak of serious issues with a hint of lighthearted convo included. I think you will find many people on here more than up for a good debate. Not me with the Gypsies however as I really have no idea about them other than film portrayals.
I suspect I would be one that would tolerate and keep an open mind as that is just my nature. I m able to interact with and accept all kinds and am not in the least bit judgemental.
There are aspects of "gypsy" life as described that seem almost romantic and fun to me! I think I would adore it for a short time! like horse camping!
sorry...I will stop now
Apologies if I offended you in regards to this topic by saying Brad Pitt is hot. I well and truly cannot help myself
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Lovely lovely folks and anyone who lives in the North Hampshire/Southwest Berkshire area will definitely know this really sweet family.
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I live in this area but dont know this family! But I live near Tadley and that is a small town that grew up round a gypsy encampment- Romany. The romany families are lovely people, clean hard working and, if they have horses they are well looked after.
But unfortunately there is a camp of "nasty" travellers. They steal and intimidate. Even the small kids cause trouble. The police wont venture into the camp without armed backup.
I feel sorry for the true gypsy families who have worked hard to do well for themselves and prove themselves respectable. Many in this area have done very well for themselves through good business sense and hard work.They are tarred with the same brush. In my mind there are Gypsys and there are the thieves known as pikeys or TPBs and they are not the same.
Because of these people I no longer like to drive my pony on the roads, Ive had to get lifts back from the pub because they are after my dogs, and I regularly get asked if my pony is for sale by three guys in a transit who follow slowly behind. They hare course in my fields (Ive learned to threaten with the gamekeeper) and I could never consider buying a shetland or coloured horse as it would most certainly be stolen.
My OH has observed them in the supermarket. They turned up in a transit which they parked outside the main door. The 6 kids got out with bikes that were left outside the shop. Then three women and kids descended. The kids ran riot, making the security guards chase them and the women nicked about six roast chickens plus whatever else they fancied and walked out through the front door into the van and drove off. The kids later followed on their bikes!
But let me add there are some permanent residents on the site and the problems we get seem to go in spates so perhaps
they are not all to blame. However when raids occur from time to time a lot of stolen property is found but rarely it seems are arrests made as they close ranks and no-one knows who stole it!.If they are claiming benefit how can they afford the latest quadbikes for their kids??
So I have no problem with gypsies. Just the TPBs I loathe.
there are good one who educated there children i know a few romany ones and they live in houses aswell
but the tinkers travallers pikies , etc arnt and i know of a dealer that brings in 80 horses a fortnight from these irish tinkers
and he advertises on h and h and hes also beening watched by ilph and has been on tv -- he said he was the robin hood of the horse world--
yeah that would be right - as robbing hood of the horse world
as these horses are cheap -- but they are either to young or to old -- and problems arise becuase of there state of age - ie to young and not broken in properply or to old/young with added
medical problems but people still buy them ..
thses sorts the only way you stop the trade is not to buy asmuch as it would break ones heart becuase your heart goes out to these poor defensless animals
Jade you don't have to apologise for saying Brad Pitt is hot, because he is that hot you could burn yourself quite easily on his torso lol.
Btw Snatch was an excellent film.
Also I agree about the lighthearted discussions in between posts in a debate because sometimes it can defuse a situation.
Right back to the subject in hand.
I have experience with some gypsies good and bad.
I have seen bad ones in town.
Like dozziesmummy said, kids running riot etc and older ones stealing.
I used to work for my uncle on an outside stall in a market and a few times I witnessed suspect behaviour.
We knew at least one time that an item had been stolen but could not prove who had taken it.
The kids were used as a distraction so that your eyes would be following them as it was thought they may do the nicking.
It appalled me to be honest.
I have no idea where these gypsies were from. I suspect they were the travelling kind because occasionally you will see caravans etc turn up in fields in the outskirts of Newcastle.
I doubt they were from the main gyspy camp we have in our area which is in between Silverdale and Keele.
From my experiences with these people they have been very nice.
They live in some of the most fantastic caravans you could ever wish to see and they are most certainly not poor.
The hard standing area was purpose built for them a few years back.
One of my dogs. a jack russell bitch ( Sweep) I bought from one of them about 5 years ago.
She has turned out to be a lovely dog.
Another bloke from the same site keeps horses near to where mine are and buys his hay and straw from our yo.
He is a nice guy and is a laugh lol he keeps jesting about buying Mcfly from us and I always say he aint for sale lol. Or else he is asking me to buy one. Before we got Mcfly I was very tempted with a couple of them but they were too young and needed breaking etc and that is something I don't have experience with.
He is Irish and I just love the accent mindyou I am mostly Irish myself because my family on both sides is irish in origin.
I do not always agree with his methods of horsekeeping but he is a nice guy and does seem to genuinely care about them.
Therefore I agree with the OP that there are good gypsies and bad ones too.
Caroline
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On the contrary, I very much doubt you will have too many people criticise Romany gypsies on here....certainly not from me anyway. I knew a couple with a little boy when I lived in Hants/Berks. They were wonderful to their animals, the lived in a beautiful traditional caravan wagon and they were always always clean and tidy.
I left the pub one night very late and drove home past where they were camped out - what did I see? Large buckets of water for the horses; who were tethered at the best grazing area and what else? The table was set for 3 places, had a jug of orange juice (I presume), milk jug and teacups. It was then covered over with see-through clean polythene and clipped onto the table.
Lovely lovely folks and anyone who lives in the North Hampshire/Southwest Berkshire area will definitely know this really sweet family.
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OMG Tia!! I used to live in a place called Swallowfield on the Hants/Berks border and distinctly remember a Romany family that used to come and work on the local farms etc in the summer. Really really nice people who looked after their animals well and were very welcome in the village. We used to go and have snacks and stuff with them. They also lived in a traditional caravan. Wonder if they are the same ones?
I'd like to meet some of these real Romany Gypsies, living a quite and law-abiding life in the depths of the English countryside, and I'm not being sarcastic saying that honest.
Unfortunately I live in Kent, in a miserable housing estate where many "ex-travellers" get settled. I get nervous going to the corner shop in the evening. My car was stolen from outside my house and found dumped and well used the next morning - at the entrance to the local illegal traveller site. (It was cold, they didn't want to walk too far). Over the years I've had energisers and electric fencing stolen from fields, a 5 bar gate, feed and hay and water containers. I've had kids chucking stones at my pony when we rode past a site. At an RDA where I worked they suffered from theft from a neighbouring site for years, and some sexual misconduct from the older lads. A local farmer lost a whole hay crop because there was a wedding in the area and all the visitors moved on to his field, leaving behind rubbish and human excrement when they left. And don't get me started on the fields of meat ponies... the regular removal of dead and injured ponies from one of these fields by the RSPCA... the great fat hulks hurtling up and down the A20 behind yearlings and younger...
The dealer mentioned above - yep, been there and done that as well.
I think Tadley might be a little too rowdy for this family which is why you may have never seen them. They are a very quiet family and they frequent the rural area between Newbury and Andover.
Ah now Swallowfield (with a large breathing space between Tadley LOL!) may be the sort of countryside that they would have wandered around. I know that when I lived near Burghfield that I would see them near the village, so it's quite possible that this is the same family.
Last I heard, they had a house in Vernham Dean where they lived in the winter and they went out travelling nearby in the summer. Little boy was in school hence their long distance travelling became a bit curtailed.
The James' and the Rawlings' no longer have their Sunday afternoon punch up on the Green I'll have you know!!!
Vernham Dean- Posh!!!!! Obviously a Posh gypsy family.
Burghfield also has a notorious camp so would suspect they dont go there now. I remember seeing a horsedrawn caravan going down our road though. With a green canvas top. Was that the family? It was a long time ago now.
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The Romanies are proud people. Their children are immaculately "turned out", they have to be or they are teased. The romany houses in Tadley are easy to spot. Beautiful lace curtains and loads of china and crystal.
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Unfortunately I live in Kent, in a miserable housing estate where many "ex-travellers" get settled.
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Ex-travellers, tinkers or TPBs, not Romanies I would suspect. But I may be wrong!
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Ahh but I lived near the Village.....not the Common! Two different places.
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Well if you're going to get like that.... I lived in Silchester!!!! On the common!!!!! I even had commoners rights!!! 6 chickens and a couple of goats, rights to extract gravel (by hand unfortunately), dig up turf (was often tempted to dig up the cricket pitch!) and also collect fallen wood ( again the cricket stumps were tempting!). My friend could graze a third of a pony!!!!
Yet to meet a decent member of the Roma community. The ones I have met were either aggresively begging or selling the Big Issue. We had two Roma women a few weeks ago who stole from where I work. One distracted the manager while the other crept behind the counter and rummaged through her bag. This was all caught on camera. Yet to get the annoying trick where they hand you 200 euro or something similar and ask for change. Not too happy when you rfuse. What they give you is fake!.
Roma cannot be defined by region or country, its annoying when they give Romanians a bad name.
Travellers on the other hand, two main families that visit the shop, parents generally keep the kids in check but with one or two you can`t be careful. Stuff got nicked by a group of young women, apparently from a third family.
Jade, I was being tongue in cheek with my gypsies-to-Brad Pitt comment. Personally, Brad's a bit too girly for me (that trout pout of his). Now Vin Diesel.....wow!