There seems to be a misconception...

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...that there are certain members of this forum who are anti cross breed dogs.

I think for the majority of folk in here, that could not be further from the truth. It's not the cross breeds themselves, or the designer dogs that cause the uproar. It's purely the people who breed them purely for profit, without any care or concern about the future of the litters. Likewise, carelessness and accidental breeding is taboo (but sometimes it just is just an "accident", and is forgivable).

Having read various comments on this forum in the past several months about designer dogs, the same argument comes to the fore over and over again. It ain't about the dog - it's about the PEOPLE who breed them!

The same could be (and often IS) said about those that breed pedigree dogs without doing the homework/health screening and so forth. Those that are breeding to extremes and for fashion and whacking a price tag of staggering amounts and luring unsuspecting buyers in to thinking that it's guaranteed to be a "good dog!" I get equally peeved when someone breeds a designer dog or pedigree dog that is not a sound specimen just because 1 - they want the money for the litter 2 - because they want their kids to experience birth 3 - they think that their bitch with health issues should experience a litter.

There are people on this forum that work in rescue, and others that work with dogs in other capacity, and those that just own and love dogs. None of us is so high and mighty to not think that a mongrel can be cute. And if it weren't for those people out there in the world tagging these mongrels with cutesy names like akitapoo, maltipoo, bullshihtz, jackapoo, labradinger and so forth FOR THE SALE, then the names would be rather endearing.

There, rant over.
 
This is music to my ears, we have to keep repeating over and over we are not anti cross breeds but this is constantly brought up to support an argument when somebody has bought a mixed breed pup with a fancy name.

I think also it needs to said that we are not anti breeding but support responsible breeding.
 
I was just hoping that perhaps those that think that some of us are anti mongrel would actually hear what's being said, rather than what they THINK is being said.

I had a young woman working with me for a few months. She said to me that she'd booked in a labradinger. I asked her what a labradinger was (being coy). She said, with a perfectly straight face: A labradinger is a labrador x springer where the daddy is a labrador. If it was the other way around, it would be a springador.

I wanted to just then and there stick my 9' curved shears thru my orbital socket.

People will call us and say they have a purebred pedigree Jackadoodle-tzu. Do we know how to groom this breed? Because they have a specfic hair do. :eek:

I just feel sorry for these people who get handed this information and they buy it, hook line and sinker.
 
But everyone who agrees with you will be called bitchy and cliquey and horrible, don't forget :p

The biggest wing ding I ever got into on here, was with a purebred GSD 'breeder' who was collecting rescue and unwanted bitches and was breeding them back every season to their selection of in-house 'stud' dogs, also collected for free or cheap, with no health tests or history.
They were charging insane amounts for these multitude of puppies, more than pups from well bred, health tested, proven parents, which could be purchased via PayPal.
If they ever decide to clean up their act, I will retract everything I said.
They seemed like 'nice' people who 'loved' their dogs, but at the time, I said and still believe, looking at the big picture, that they were screwing the breed.

So yeah, I've not just got an issue with designer dog breeders :p
 
Totally agree with you PucciNPoni. I have a lurcher and a pedigree bedlington. I adore my lurhcer who is a bedlington whippet, and I adore my bedlington. Both were bred by responsible people who had homes for each pup. My bedlington came with a sheef of documents, health scores, copper tests, DNA tests and copper tests for parents. I I should decide to breed from him it will only be to carefully selected bitches, who have been screened for copper toxicosis. Flodden will have a liver biopsy and DNA testing for Copper toxicosis as well. Should I find that he is a carrier, then he will be neutered before being allowed to breed. Other people have said to me oooooooh a bedlington, put her to ours so we can have pups, without ever once asking for his propensity to toxicosis. THey are the people who I cannot abide, 'lets have pups cos we can, they are cute and we make lots of money'. I know Floddens breeder could not have made much from them, the biopsy is not cheep, the stud dog was not cheap, the pups were all vet checked, dew claws removed, toiled trained, name trained, and came with a puppy bag she had made up for each on containing toys, an embroidered blanked, toothbrush and paste, guides to trimming etc. That is the sort of breeder we should support purebred or mongrel.
 
Bosworth said:
I know Floddens breeder could not have made much from them, the biopsy is not cheep, the stud dog was not cheap, the pups were all vet checked, dew claws removed, toiled trained, name trained, and came with a puppy bag she had made up for each on containing toys, an embroidered blanked, toothbrush and paste, guides to trimming etc. That is the sort of breeder we should support purebred or mongrel.
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I agree with this -

I know of a few so called Australian Labradoodles. I'm happy to call them that because in my opinion, these are a type unto themselves apart from every other 'doodle I've ever met. The ones that I've met have been health screened. They've been socialised. The new owners educated about the above. They've been taught about coat maintenance. They've been advised about training and exercise. They came with a hefty price tag, but in my opinion from what I've seen - well worth the money. These were all consistent, lovely natured dogs with very similar confo, similar temperament, similar coat. From what I've learned, these Australian 'doodles are close to getting their kennel club to accepting them as a breed (heresay, perhaps) but as yet, they are carefully monitoring the breeding scheme and health of these dogs.

I have no qualms about the start of a new breed. I have no qualms with breeding cocker x springers to get a better working dog, for example. I have no problem breeding cross breeds that are fit and sound and for a general purpose-- a purpose OTHER than to line the pockets of unscrupulous or just ignorant folk.
 
I think it is the names that Irk me more than anything. Call a spade a spade the blumming thing is a mongrel!!

Probably a beautiful mongrel, but a mongrel none the less.
 
So will I get beaten for referring to my gorgeous mongrel as a pointy cock? I think as a designer name it will catch on!! :D

(an accidental coming together of two working dogs - a pointer and a cocker spaniel).

What about if I mention his big paws?
 
biccie1 said:
So will I get beaten for referring to my gorgeous mongrel as a pointy cock? I think as a designer name it will catch on!! :D

(an accidental coming together of two working dogs - a pointer and a cocker spaniel).

What about if I mention his big paws?
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LOLOLOLOLOL I love it!
 
CaveCanem said:
But everyone who agrees with you will be called bitchy and cliquey and horrible, don't forget :p

The biggest wing ding I ever got into on here, was with a purebred GSD 'breeder' who was collecting rescue and unwanted bitches and was breeding them back every season to their selection of in-house 'stud' dogs, also collected for free or cheap, with no health tests or history.
They were charging insane amounts for these multitude of puppies, more than pups from well bred, health tested, proven parents, which could be purchased via PayPal.
If they ever decide to clean up their act, I will retract everything I said.
They seemed like 'nice' people who 'loved' their dogs, but at the time, I said and still believe, looking at the big picture, that they were screwing the breed.

So yeah, I've not just got an issue with designer dog breeders :p
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Yep, that misconception on the other thread is still raging. Ho hum.

I can imagine the wing ding you describe, but I think it might have been pre-my-time. Go on, pm me the thread, will ya? Or would that be cliquey and bitchy?
 
For trying to breed a real problem coat way beyond the usual pet owner`s capabilities my nightmare is a BichonxShihTzu. Unbelievable mixture for anyone who grooms dogs.:mad:
 
Bosworth said:
Should I find that he is a carrier, then he will be neutered before being allowed to breed.
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You mean you'll be allowing him to breed after being neutered :eek::eek::eek::D

Couldn't agree more with the OP though - irresponsible breeders bring out my homicidal tendancies. The ridiculous names make me want to bash people's heads together violently. But I have nothing against mongrels - I'd rather have a nice mongrelly type than most pure breds :D I like dogs which are fit for purpose - I wouldn't pay any breeder for a dog which I didn't think had been bred with the best intentions for the pup in mind. I'd happily take an unknown / badly bred animal from rescue though, if I were in a position to do so.
 
EAST KENT said:
For trying to breed a real problem coat way beyond the usual pet owner`s capabilities my nightmare is a BichonxShihTzu. Unbelievable mixture for anyone who grooms dogs.:mad:
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When I get enquiries for grooming such mixes I say that the typical charge for a bichon is x, the charge for a shih tzu is y and if their dog has both coats it could be x + y.
Had a "long haired pug" recently. Brought for grooming because of the smell. I referred them straight to their vet as it was raw and infected in the facial folds.
( I think it was pug on both sides with shih tzu & CKCS too)
 
EAST KENT said:
For trying to breed a real problem coat way beyond the usual pet owner`s capabilities my nightmare is a BichonxShihTzu. Unbelievable mixture for anyone who grooms dogs.:mad:
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I groom one - he's got a bichon coat but silky ears like a shih tzu. It's reallly weird! I wouldn't actually mind him in a longer coat - but the owners are far more sensible than me and they want it short.

For the pesty coats, 7F is my friend! :D
 
we have a lovley cross breed Sibe x GSD no fancy names for her, she is our scruffy Blonde bimbo & love her we do.
Y/O has a "labrdoodle" to use the snobby name but they are sensible people & refer to her as a mongrel, just a Labrador x Poodle. she came from a centre as a puppy cos she grew too big although god knows how big they thought labs & poodles were!

agree whole heartdly the bad breeding & cross breeding needs to be culled & soon before some basic breeds are damaged beond repair. the GSD is getting that way far too quickly (give me a fine slender good old fasioned work shaped GSD over one of those Huge "proper breed type" ones everyone breeds/wants now)
 
Aoibhin, didn't you know the old-fashioned type are actually oversized, big-boned, heavy-coated with BIG PAWS and don't want to do any sort of work except for lie on the sofa? :p)
I know the black and red, over-angled show type are not everybody else's cup of tea either (at least most of them are health tested) but there is a happy medium!
 
There is a great heffing 7 month old shep at work atm, he is going to be obscenely oversized (and probably a yob too :) ) and yet everyone goes gaga over him! He is a "Lornaville" (sp?) dog and his old owner paid a pretty penny for him, I just dont get it..
Mine is a spangle x ridgie, I have no probs with true "accident" crosses, I havent yet had the balls to call him a ridgeringer though! :D
 
Good post PucciNPoni - as a designer mongrel owner :D I for one understand the frustrations on here and the arguments against the 'quick buck' breeding of cutely named dogs, and have found many of the discussions educational!

However, I do think it is very very unhelpful when people (not you PnP, but some others in here) pipe up that they find the made up names annoying because they are silly/daft/whatever. What does it honestly matter what the owner choses to call it?

Yes, it's dreadful that back yard breeders are using the cutesy names as a sales pitch, but if the delighted new owner wants to continue to call it a labradoodle or a cockerpoo leave them be. It smacks of snobbery tbh, and undermines the more important arguments about health checks (CC are you proud of me?! :p), badly thought out breeding of incompatible breeds etc.

None of you will help to educate the uninitiated if you alienate them all by coming across all snobby and calling their dogs mongrels (even if that's what they are!).

There, that's my mini-rant over :)
 
CC - this damn phone wont let me reply to the pm, yes he is in rescue, he is booked to go to a new home in the next week or so (poor sods :D ) - I dont know if the breeder was contacted at any stage (or even if he is one of theirs or the result of his dog to an outside bitch) - I will reply to the pm via pc later.
 
Broodle said:
Good post PucciNPoni - as a designer mongrel owner :D I for one understand the frustrations on here and the arguments against the 'quick buck' breeding of cutely named dogs, and have found many of the discussions educational!

However, I do think it is very very unhelpful when people (not you PnP, but some others in here) pipe up that they find the made up names annoying because they are silly/daft/whatever. What does it honestly matter what the owner choses to call it?

Yes, it's dreadful that back yard breeders are using the cutesy names as a sales pitch, but if the delighted new owner wants to continue to call it a labradoodle or a cockerpoo leave them be. It smacks of snobbery tbh, and undermines the more important arguments about health checks (CC are you proud of me?! :p), badly thought out breeding of incompatible breeds etc.

None of you will help to educate the uninitiated if you alienate them all by coming across all snobby and calling their dogs mongrels (even if that's what they are!).

There, that's my mini-rant over :)
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You're right about the snobbery. I could be guilty of that myself, and 99% of the time I bite my tongue (ie when working, for example). No, I don't personally have an issue with the cute name because it's "daft". I don't have issue with the neighbors bitch getting knocked up because it had a crafty wee bonk with the local roaming dog (I find it rather irresponsible on both dogs' owners however).

I think for me the frustration lies mostly in the complete lack of proper education, and that people think that they're getting good information because "it came from the breeder". We often revere these people as professionals when often they're cowboys. There are good breeders and bad ones -- or just wanna be's.

I love a good mongrel. Honest I do!

I'm not sure what frustrates me more: the people who are pulling the 'doodle wool over punter's eyes or the punters for just blindly accepting all that they read over the 'net and calling it *research*.
 
Broodle said:
However, I do think it is very very unhelpful when people (not you PnP, but some others in here) pipe up that they find the made up names annoying because they are silly/daft/whatever. What does it honestly matter what the owner choses to call it?
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I disagree - I think people are entitled to think the names are daft and to object to them on that basis. It may be snobbery - in my case it's a distaste for whimsy, which may or may not be a form of snobbery. I wouldn't suggest someone not call their beloved pet a doodle or a cockerpoo if they so choose, but I would judge them for their decision to do so - just as I judge people negatively if they refer to themselves as their pet (or pony)'s mummy, or name their dog "ickle fluffy wuffy woo".

If you want to work in a pet services industry, you would be ill-advised to allow people to be aware of that, but for those of us who don't, I don't see the harm in us thinking it. Does it honestly matter what we think?

I don't think it's any less "unhelpful" than you thinking it "unhelpful" that people choose to think it in the first place!
 
Pendlehog, if he is a Lornaville he will almost certainly be oversized, yes and not the type of shepherd CC and I have. However, I do hope the breeder was contacted and given the chance to take him back , or at least help rehome him.
 
JFTD - I certainly never said that I don't think people are entitled to think that the names are silly, just that it's usually unhelpful (yes, because it is!) to post those views on most threads about cross breeding. I think I was clear, and you are reading your own meaning into my post.

You can be as snobby and judgemental as you like, I really don't care - I just think that you and others with similar views should consider not openly passing judgement sometimes. It is that sort of judgemental approach which scares people out of AAD - and their opinions and actions will never be changed unless they stay around to read more!

ETS - Just re-read and realised that I have accidentally called you a judgemental snob... I didn't mean it that way, and hope you aren't offended!
 
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