There seems to be a misconception...

Broodle said:
JFTD - I certainly never said that I don't think people are entitled to think that the names are silly, just that it's usually unhelpful (yes, because it is!) to post those views on most threads about cross breeding. I think I was clear, and you are reading your own meaning into my post.

You can be as snobby and judgemental as you like, I really don't care - I just think that you and others with similar views should consider not openly passing judgement sometimes. It is that sort of judgemental approach which scares people out of AAD - and their opinions and actions will never be changed unless they stay around to read more!

ETS - Just re-read and realised that I have accidentally called you a judgemental snob... I didn't mean it that way, and hope you aren't offended!
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I am slightly since this is my first venture into AAD - why should I pussy foot around not expressing my opinion so as not to offend people with ridiculously named cross breeds?

Furthermore, you never actually specified you meant on those threads - I don't think it's inconceivable to assume you mean that such an opinion shouldn't be expressed generally - which in my opinion is unreasonable. Anyway, I'll just head off back to some other part of the forum :rolleyes:
 
Broodle said:
Good post PucciNPoni - as a designer mongrel owner :D I for one understand the frustrations on here and the arguments against the 'quick buck' breeding of cutely named dogs, and have found many of the discussions educational!

However, I do think it is very very unhelpful when people (not you PnP, but some others in here) pipe up that they find the made up names annoying because they are silly/daft/whatever. What does it honestly matter what the owner choses to call it?

Yes, it's dreadful that back yard breeders are using the cutesy names as a sales pitch, but if the delighted new owner wants to continue to call it a labradoodle or a cockerpoo leave them be. It smacks of snobbery tbh, and undermines the more important arguments about health checks (CC are you proud of me?! :p), badly thought out breeding of incompatible breeds etc.

None of you will help to educate the uninitiated if you alienate them all by coming across all snobby and calling their dogs mongrels (even if that's what they are!).

There, that's my mini-rant over :)
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I agree with this.

I have an RSPCA GSD X Collie and a Utonagan x British Inuit. Yes they are mongrels.
They are healthy (ish), happy and well loved dogs.

I will always prefer a mongrel needing a home than a pedigree bred for profit.

I get the impression of a snobby attitude towards mongrels on this forum sometimes.

It's mean.
 
From another thread -
" I guess I did actually do some research in that I made sure that the two parents were of compatible breeds (lab and standard poodle - similar sizes, similar energy levels, similar 'drive', no common prevalent health problems), and that the lifestyle I can offer is suitable. I didn't just think they looked cute and had a fun name "

Lets see; Labs & poodles both need testing for Hip Displasia & PRA & neither are uncommon in poorly bred specimens of either breed.

vWD and epilepsy are not unknown, Sebaceous Adenitis occurs in poodles & labs can get Hereditary Myopathy. I have seen all of these in the crosses.

Why not just get a well bred standard poodle or curly coated retriever which was what the original labradoodle breeder was after but none were available in his part of the world?

To all who spout that all breeds started as crosses - they didn't, they mostly started as types or landrace strains - similar related animals from isolated populations. The relatively few breeds that did start by crossing were not considered or called breeds for many generations.

Allowing misinformation to go uncorrected does nothing to educate.
 
I agree with the OP about being against bad breeding, whatever breed or kind of dog is the end result.

However the response that some people get on here is just horrible, frankly. It's not nice to read and certainly does give the impression that posters here are snotty about non-pedigrees.
 
Oberon said:
I agree with this.

I have an RSPCA GSD X Collie and a Utonagan x British Inuit. Yes they are mongrels.
They are healthy (ish), happy and well loved dogs.

I will always prefer a mongrel needing a home than a pedigree bred for profit.

I get the impression of a snobby attitude towards mongrels on this forum sometimes.

It's mean.
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I for one used to have a mongrel and Im not alone lots of people on this forum have owned one. I grew up with mongrels and was in my early teens when we got our first pedigree a Corgi but even though she was lovely she was no better or worse than our previous dogs.

I have Dobermanns because I love the breed and they suit my lifestyle and they have a purpose, I live outside the village and my dogs keep unwanted people away.
The same with our Lancashire Heeler another good house dog and a useful dog to have on the farm.
 
S4sugar - if you'd read further on in that thread you'd have seen that I was put straight on my bad research and poor understanding. Not sure why you're bringing it up again here?

We did consider a standard poodle, but struggled to find a breeder nearby. Anyway, I've already confessed to not making the most informed of decisions, so it's a moot point really :)
 
I brought it up because you followed that course as did many others.
Sorry, I didn't see where you said you had learned since but you had already handed money to a less than honest breeder - if they were reputable they would have informed you of the common potential health issues and the steps they had taken to minimise the chance.

You couldn't find a standard poodle breeder nearby? Did you contact the breed clubs or the Kennel Club? I would not expect a pet puppy purchaser to travel as far as someone wanting a show, work or breeding prospect but it is rare to not find a breeder within an hour of any large city and if they don't have puppies they usually know someone who does.
 
I don't see how railing against irresponsible breeders, of crosses or pedigrees, makes me (anyone?!) snotty or snobby.
I've commented positively about tonnes of crosses and mongrels on here, you can see me wibble at length over my friend's GSD x Mali, I once owned a Lab x Foxhound x JRT. But I soon saw sense with that one :p
 
tinselunicorn said:
JFTD don't go - we are all nice - in a slightly doggy mad way - really:D:D

And you will fit in just fine as long as post piccies of your mutt:D:D - its in the rules you know......;):D:D:D
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Oh well if the tinsel unicorn lurks in here too, it can't be all bad :D

There's tons of photos of my savage beast in the "New Rider Steve" thread, btw ;)
 
Ostrich said:
Oh dear god, I quit - this is beyond belief :o
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Really? :p I actually think that this has been a rather restrained thread about a rather prickly issue. s4sugar tried to get everyone all upset, but failed so it's all gooood :D

Come tomorrow I shall fade back into HHO obscurity. No idea why I've come over all post-tastic tonight...
 
CC, it's not the railing, I am not above some railing. It's the ridicule from some people. Seriously, who cares if they call their dog a cutey name, as long as it's looked after? Yes, that person might need some education for the next time, but they don't need ridiculing. It's pointlessly mean IMO.
 
One final musing...

I think that the problem of bad backyard breeding often gets muddied up on here with the issue of breeding crosses per se. The first is universally bad, the second is a matter of personal opinion. Sometimes it is hard for some posters to separate the two.

I think this is what PucciNPoni was saying way back in her first post :o

I'll b*gger off now :D

ETS - Quick edit to add ^^^^wot Spudlet said! Put it sooo much better than I did. Fair enough for others to think it's beyond awful for me to call my dogs labradoodles, but by not ridiculing me and instead trying to educate me about why my choices are bad everyone's a winner and no one gets tearful :)
 
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Broodle said:
Really? :p I actually think that this has been a rather restrained thread about a rather prickly issue. s4sugar tried to get everyone all upset, but failed so it's all gooood :D

Come tomorrow I shall fade back into HHO obscurity. No idea why I've come over all post-tastic tonight...
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And how have I "tried to get everyone all upset" or does the truth upset you?
I have only listed facts.
Backyard breeders rely on ignorance.
 
When I first posted in dogs about Obi my accidental puppy (big paws - only kidding), everyone was lovelly about it and very supportive, but I do think the cute puppy pics helped! Having had a born deaf EBT and now a mastiff size lurcher with a strong hunting instinct and a mastiff propensity to completely ignore you and act dumb, I can really see the pro's and con's on both sides of the fence. At the moment as I stare at the hole in the kitchen wall that appeared last night I thank god that at least my new EBT puppy just cant be bothered to chew anything!
 
I've had 7 dogs in my life so far.
4 have been mongrels. They've all been amazing dogs :D
I think the money being paid for designer breeds (mongrels in essence) is mental, you've no real guarantee what good bits and what bad bits you'll get from which side. Even health checks/tests only covers so much.
Most I've paid for 1 of my mongrels was £70. 2 were completely free.
The designer names make me cringe too.
Apart from the pointy cock, my own dippit collie and the bull shihtzu of course :D
 
I will take the blame for the snobbery then...I would never contemplait owning a mongrel, or housing them in their hundreds in my home whilst they hope for a new home, no way...not me...not ever.....wretched common animals!

On a more serious note, I affraid soemeone has to take the stupid names seriously as this is exactly what has created this mess in the first place, and literally flooded us with thousands upon thousands more "discardable" dogs and "cruel inventions" you know like the film:p that's intentions:p
Because some idiot allowed their child no doubt (I convinced this is how the names came about) no right minded adult could have, it's a giggly thing, the kind of thing you make up as a child and say it over and over again whilst giggling and chuckling on:rolleyes: anyways the kid said it and the adult thought £££££££££££££ it's worth a try:rolleyes: and from there they sucked in the ignorant and clueless and created "the beast" literally in most caseses.
Please do not tell me these pups where bought for little other than their "made up name" and yes I do beliEve folk are that fickle. They are also being royally jipped for a mongrel with a pricey name and in the mean time creatin monster "back street breeding at an alarmin rate".
Lets not forget the ones that get a half descent home the rest got a pleb of an owner that paid for a name and got bored when that novelty wore off (AND THE LATEST NEW BREED CAME OUT) wit sme kind of giggly name and the pup became bigger and uglier and problematic, and indeed we will see this in pedigrees and the other mongrels we already had but we are CREATING more!! in a frightening number and all because they have a "cool name":rolleyes:

the best part is when you hear the "I researched" it was low shedding and little and cute ad just what needed" well yeah, so is a health tested poodle/bichon/ shnauzer or an inexpensive mongrel of the non designer named variety;) this alone tells me.....It was the "speshul name" that was the decider;)

Ok, that's it really:p
 
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The_original_Kao said:
I've had 7 dogs in my life so far.
4 have been mongrels. They've all been amazing dogs :D
I think the money being paid for designer breeds (mongrels in essence) is mental, you've no real guarantee what good bits and what bad bits you'll get from which side. Even health checks/tests only covers so much.
Most I've paid for 1 of my mongrels was £70. 2 were completely free.
The designer names make me cringe too.
Apart from the pointy cock, my own dippit collie and the bull shihtzu of course :D
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You are a snob though, and you must b a stinge, you wont fork out £600 for a monger but you will give £70, A, that wont encourage much more breeding and B, you are a stingey bint:rolleyes:
 
CAYLA said:
You are a snob though, and you must b a stinge, you wont fork out £600 for a monger but you will give £70, A, that wont encourage much more breeding and B, you are a stingey bint:rolleyes:
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Well none of them had big paws so weren't worth more than £70 :p
The 1 I got with big paws was a freebie and a pedigree :D
 
Broodle said:
One final musing...

I think that the problem of bad backyard breeding often gets muddied up on here with the issue of breeding crosses per se. The first is universally bad, the second is a matter of personal opinion. Sometimes it is hard for some posters to separate the two.

I think this is what PucciNPoni was saying way back in her first post :o

I'll b*gger off now :D

ETS - Quick edit to add ^^^^wot Spudlet said! Put it sooo much better than I did. Fair enough for others to think it's beyond awful for me to call my dogs labradoodles, but by not ridiculing me and instead trying to educate me about why my choices are bad everyone's a winner and no one gets tearful :)
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Very well put!

Some people are really passionate about the cross breeds in general because they have seen far too many bad ones. Perhaps they feel it would be better to stop the breeding of them alltogether as there seems to be so many folk out there mating just anything. These people will also usually be equally as passionate about bad breeding of pedigree dogs.

I am not making much sense here this morning - it's far too early to make any sense ;)
 
People can cringe all they like, and definitely try to inform people about bad breeding of these dogs. But if you start by ridiculing their dog (because that IS how it comes across), which they no doubt love if they've bothered to come on here and post about it, then all you're going to do is put their backs up - and then you've lost the chance to turn them to your way of thinking because they're on the defensive. And I don't blame them!
 
There also comes a point where all the soft speaking and tippy toeing around is no use --- can only say that I personally take this approach 99.9% of the time when trying to explain to folk why their pet dogs shouldn't be brede from. Yes, they're gorgeous - but they're not suitable for breeding purposes. So you can say it nicely nicely all you like, but people will still do exactly as they please, with not a care in the world.

I've just been in receipt of two cute toy poos for grooming and the owner is telling me how she's going to mate them. The bitch is too small. The dog is oversize. One has a hernia. Neither is health screened (oh, the breeder probably done it :eek: ) and no matter how I explain it, it keeps falling on deaf ears.
 
Softly speaking? Tippy toeing? No. Basic good manners and common courtesy, that's all I mean. And as to it coming to a point - for some people that point comes in their very first post on a thread. I find it hugely frustrating to see a good message lost due to clumsy and frankly rude communication.

Anyway, leaving this thread now as it seems that my communication is being lost on some... so please do carry on alienating people and driving them away from a good source of information and losing the chance to actually do some good for animal welfare, as long as it makes you feel good that's all that matters (not aimed at you PnP).
 
I agree with pucci ^^^^....and I think the posts certainly do open peoples eyes...there has been many a post where people have put their thoughts forwards in a rather no nonsense manner and I personally have noticed the sheer amount of "well that opened my eyes," even a mention on these osts of someone admitting after reading they felt they had been irrisponsible with the purchase of a designer type dog.
I have to admit even with my own clients I don't pussy foot about the matter and no doubt I may sound rude at times, they know my reasons for me calling their designer a mongrel, they don't seem to go else where with there dog and they fully understand my reasons against BSB's (which they now know thats what they bought their dog from) and it has definately opened their eyes, I doubt they will purchase one again, infact a few have since rescues a companion for their designer x breed;):)
 
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