Thieving Scumbag Facebook shoplifters- Rant follows

fltogger said:
sorry but that doesnt mean a thing, purchase of a print does not transfer any copyright and you still require permission to save the image off of their site.
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As far as I am concerned I would rather have my copy WITHOUT the watermark but If I had just paid 7 quid for a pic and was waiting for it to arrive then i think i have justified me posting it.

Whats the difference to me buying then scanning it in on my computer then posting it then??? They are the same thing just without the water mark :)

Oh and one photographer above just said he would have sent me a JPEG image that I could post after I have bought it. essentially the copyroght belongs to the phtographer but the IMAGE belongs to me it is me in the pic and as stated above I could buy that pic then tell the photographer to delete the images of me as the rights of the sunject. So if I have paid for an image it belongs to me.

Nikki xxx:)
 
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NiknKia said:
As far as I am concerned I would rather have my copy WITHOUT the watermark but If I had just paid 7 quid for a pic and was waiting for it to arrive then i think i have justified me posting it.

Whats the difference to me buying then scanning it in on my computer then posting it then??? They are the same thing just without the water mark :)

Nikki xxx
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there is no difference, both scanning the photo and saving the image off the website are breaking copyright law (unless you have permission from the photographer).
 
fltogger said:
so what about the people that DO want large prints? we offer 16"x12" (and upwards if required) which we get quite a few of, even a 18x12 standard print recently.

what if we didnt have the equipment? sale lost..

better to have the equipment and therefore the quality than not in my (and probably every other pro toggers) opinion
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True, but would you possibly otherwise have sold an extra maybe 30 7x5 to the single 18x12?

I know pros want to take the best they can and indeed take a real pride in their work, and yes it is better than what an average amateur will produce but I guess it's down to what the market wants. I would rather buy a couple of small prints from every show than the occasional large one. Often I find the prints available are mediocre at best and don't want to shell out large sums of money on them, but would be happy to spend less and buy more overall.
 
no the image doesn't belong to you the physical print does. scanning it in and posting it without permission is just as illegal as posting watermarked copy

BUT most togs if you ask will be happy for you to scan and post if you credit them, and will also possibly send you a low res version free of charge as they are being nice as you have made a more expensive purchase by buying a print. They do not have to though.

If a famous artist painted your portrait it wouldn't belong to you ever, you are the subject yes but that gives you no right to the painting. Photos are the same. You can request photos of you are removed but if taken on public land again unless your under 18 the photographer doesn't have to. If they did there would never be any celeb 'exclusive photos' would there as all celebs would ban any photos of themselves being published!
 
NiknKia said:
As far as I am concerned I would rather have my copy WITHOUT the watermark but If I had just paid 7 quid for a pic and was waiting for it to arrive then i think i have justified me posting it.

Whats the difference to me buying then scanning it in on my computer then posting it then??? They are the same thing just without the water mark :)

Nikki xxx
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Do you eat your chocolate bar before paying for it in the shop??

Copyright means you can not reproduce the photograph in any form even if you have paid for a print ... you purchased the print not the rights to the photograph, plus its just a little ignorant and rude seen as the thumbnails have copyright written all over them? If a museum or attraction says no cameras do you still take one in? Rules are rules really you abide by showground rules I'm guessing?
 
Well I am sorry but if a photographer is willing to give me a jpeg and a copy of the picture after i have purchased it from now on i will be telling them to delete images of me then i will have the only copies.

As the subject I have rights to the copies and how they are used, if I am willing to let a phtographer put images of me on a public site then I am afraid me posting the image to my page for my friends to see is no different from me hanging it on my wall and inviting my friends to my house to see it. I am not PRINTING the images off and selling them :)

I have people wqho i know who are photographer and they have had no issue of BOUGHT copies of their work being put on a site for others to see. Otherwise obtained I am one for not allowing and agree that should be stopped as well as the removing of watermarks I think that is terrible that people do that. If I think a photo is that good I will buy it.

Nikki xxx
 
FallenLightPhoto said:
Do you eat your chocolate bar before paying for it in the shop??

Copyright means you can not reproduce the photograph in any form even if you have paid for a print ... you purchased the print not the rights to the photograph, plus its just a little ignorant and rude seen as the thumbnails have copyright written all over them? If a museum or attraction says no cameras do you still take one in? Rules are rules really you abide by showground rules I'm guessing?
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I have done actually lol wandered do the shoping round asda a few time eating the bar keeping the wrapper then paying for it with the rest of my shop.

You eat food in a resturant before paying for it do you not???

Nikki xxx:p
 
NiknKia said:
Well I am sorry but if a photographer is willing to give me a jpeg and a copy of the picture after i have purchased it from now on i will be telling them to delete images of me then i will have the only copies.

As the subject I have rights to the copies and how they are used, if I am willing to let a phtographer put images of me on a public site then I am afraid me posting the image to my page for my friends to see is no different from me hanging it on my wall and inviting my friends to my house to see it. I am not PRINTING the images off and selling them :)

I have people wqho i know who are photographer and they have had no issue of BOUGHT copies of their work being put on a site for others to see. Otherwise obtained I am one for not allowing and agree that should be stopped as well as the removing of watermarks I think that is terrible that people do that. If I think a photo is that good I will buy it.

Nikki xxx
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actually the law says you have no rights to the photo as the subject.. id suggest you read up on copyright law because you could not be more wrong.. which could end you in court in the future.
 
I haven't even begun to read all this thread. But I presume that non of the 'togs on here have ever so much as pressed "record" off the radio (back in the day!), or burned a copy of a cd from a friend, illegally downloaded some music or a film or anything......

Thought not :)
 
santa145 said:
ok my attempt to hide the decent image. ;)
http://katiebisson.co.uk/test/Test.html

please try to post non copyrighted version of my photo of a cute exmoor foalie!
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just came in :)

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fltogger said:
actually the law says you have no rights to the photo as the subject.. id suggest you read up on copyright law because you could not be more wrong.. which could end you in court in the future.
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Well i think i will continue as I have as I havent had folk chasing me for payment when i have bought images from them. i didn think that posting on a forum of your proff pix classes as fraud i mean who are defrauding??

Nikki xxxx:)
 
did you take it from the source code by any chance? currently trying to find a way other than framset to either effectively hide source/image code or restrict access to the image files. Maybe this is where I should read through my numerous coding manuals....
 
NiknKia said:
NOT if I have paid for the image!!!!!! I have BOUGHT the right to the image!!!

Nikki xxx
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as already said you don't but I'm pretty pragmatic when it comes to this. Whilst I retain copyright I'm very relaxed about what you can do with a print you've purchased.

My T&C's

All the images on this website are copyright George Michie.

Commercial publications use them on pain of having body parts removed with rusty pliers. I'll also invoice you at a rate designed to pay off my mortgage. If you ask however I might surprise you and let you use them for a credit, it's unlikely but you never know. I do guarantee however that the day you give me free display advertising is the same day I give you free images.

Customers however, you're fine. If you've bought an image you're free to do what you want with it, except for handing it to magazines and papers etc for commercial publication. However, if you're using it for advertising a bike, car or horse then feel free to use it. If you're not sure that you're allowed to do something give me a phone and we'll sort something out. If you've bought it though the chances are I'll pretty much let you do anything you want with it.

I realise that not everyone wants to see themselves on a website. If you see your picture anywhere here and would prefer that I remove it please email me and I'll get onto it.
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santa145 said:
did you take it from the source code by any chance? currently trying to find a way other than framset to either effectively hide source/image code or restrict access to the image files. Maybe this is where I should read through my numerous coding manuals....
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I just right clicked on the box that only showed a little bit and selected copy, then pasted it and had the whole image without any watermark.
 
i love to go online and look at my pics from shows, order them to download to post on my fb, so its shocking to hear you earn so little!!
although your prices are very reasonable- i just looked at my pics from a show last weekend and the photographer is £18 for a print or a download!
 
NiknKia said:
I have done actually lol wandered do the shoping round asda a few time eating the bar keeping the wrapper then paying for it with the rest of my shop.

You eat food in a resturant before paying for it do you not???

Nikki xxx:p
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Just etiquette really though and respect for the service being provided and as they say doing the right thing and your view on copyright and photography images etc is sadly wrong, just need to google it to see that or look on most art/photography sites. Although "good will" of some photographers will grant permission for a purchased print to be scanned etc, this does not mean every photographer feels the same, you purchase the print so yes to use it for design and purpose of being displayed at home is fine to show off to your friends!

Think you might be missing the point of Copyright though! And just the whole help everyone win situation!
 
santa145 said:
was it easy because you took it from source code? If yes I'm working on that bit ;)

edit to say you just said how and rubbish can completely exclude that option then LOL

Oh well was worth a try, hadn't even thought about clicking copy!
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lol, I said it was simple! That's pretty much where my knowledge ends these days!
 
Frances144 said:
I feel your pain.

What would you do about this?

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I, too, am a professional photographer who has recently gone into horse event photography. I am feeling rather disillusioned now.

The thing is she is so pleased with herself and so blatant!

All suggestions gratefully received.
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that is absolutely terrible!!
 
NiknKia, if HHO/IPC catch you putting up a photograph on this forum that you do not own the CR to, they will remove and you will get your wrist slapped. If you persevere, you will get banned.
 
Easy peasy santa, even on firefox/mac set up. I literally just "right-clicked' and copied the image location address of the zoomed in 'only showing a bit of image at any one time' box.

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