Third day of Israeli Airstrikes on Gaza

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Truly saddens me that this is happening, at christmas of all times! (sentimental i know)

It seems inevitable that the end of the ceasefire would bring something like this, I don't actually understand why the ceasefire had an end date?! Doesn't that miss the point?!

I can't say I can choose a right or wrong side in this, I just feel terrible for the innocents caught up in all this
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Truly saddens me that this is happening, at christmas of all times! (sentimental i know)


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1 side is muslim, the other jewish, so I doubt that Christmas is a major event on their calendars!
 
i'm not saying it means anything to them it justs seems particularly sad what is being done by those who live at the birthplace of jesus!
 
They have been fighting over this land since 1882 - and especially from the War of Independence in 1948. I personally am sympathetic to a point for the Palestinians on a purely non-military level - prior to Hamas and militant organizations they were totally disorganized and floundered under the Arab Higher Committee.

The Israelis, with the backing on the Western World were always likely to get the upper hand. Israel is a 'western' nation at the heart of the near East - a great political locale.
 
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Christians in Palestine. Innocents always get caught up in this violence.

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Christians...innocent....PMSL!

Killing in the name of is all I can say, killing in the name of.
 
you did not read my post properly and then make a comment about it. My answer re Christians being in Palestine was in answer to someone who said they were muslims or jewish so would not be affected by war at Christmas. Christians most certainly would be.
The second point was that there are innocent people who get caught up in the violence, no matter who starts it. Are you saying then that babies and children who are killed are not innocent just because they live in a war zone?
How sad for you if that is the case.
 
If you look back hundreds of yrs in history there is a hell of a lot more to this story than what the bbc are telling now on the news
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I cannot see that this on-off-back on again conflict will ever end as both sides can easily absorb the losses. These skirmishes usually end when they run low on ammunition!

I blame the palestinian militants for keeping this conflict going, probably at the behest of Iran, Syria and Al-Qaeda (all 3 need it to continue for political reasons). The Israelis co-exist peacefully with their other Arab neighbours (e.g. Jordan) who they have been at war with before.
 
In fairness, I don't think the Israelis walzed into Jordan and took what was viewed previously as their land so no need to have an argument with them. Simplistic version I know, but there lies the difference.
 
but if previously, how far previously, maybe if they no longer owned it they were not so worried about Israel moving in. I honestly can't argue re the background of the war as I do not have enough knowledge, my initial point was though, that regardless of where any war takes place, there are innocent people who die, who do not wish to be at war with anyone, just want to live their lives in peace. I hope for all parties involved that they do find some way of getting there, and sometimes, other countries actually telling Israel when they do something wrong rather than sitting back and watching.
 
My take is that Israel since the first Zionists arrived have been constantly been pushing out the Palestinians. Ben-Gurion stated in the 1930s:

“We must expel the Arabs and take their places....and if we have to use force - no to dispossess the Arabs of the Negev and Transjordan, but to guarantee our own right to settle in those places - than we have force at our disposal.”

The Israelis have always made a concerted effort to push the Palestinians from their own country, and both use their own histories to try and say that they deserve to be there.
 
It is very difficult, as the Israeli's are, without doubt, the agressors, but one can understand why they feel such a desperate need to secure their country's status and borders at any cost. All the same, these are absolutely illegal attacks, and the argument that Hamas should not have strategic military installations near urban areas does not hold much strength for me, I mean a hospital had to be evacuated after a bomb threat a couple of days ago. There is no justification for this. The USA will not intervene in any real way... I can imagine Bush though...'Yo..Brown..[****] happens..collateral damage'.
It is so sad, and I agree with the OP, especially at this time of year to see fighting like this just seems extra heartbreaking. Innocents are dying, on both sides.
 
Spot on blackstar. Both sides are at fault, but Israel has the power to inflict much more brutal and quick effect. I think I read that "only" a handful on Israelis outside of Gaza had been killed by Palestinian missiles. Palestinian casualties lie at roughly 400 now.
 
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Israel should never have been created in the first place...

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I agree , but then I believe the same of Northern Ireland. The Israelis dont want us to forget the 'special' treatment they rec'd in the concentration camps but we should ignore what THEY have done/are doing!!!????. I find it incredibly hypocritical and sad. My sister lived in Tel Aviv for a few years due to her oh's job.The stories she told me regarding the treatment of the Jews towards the Arabs are shocking-she saw the reality on both sides! Before someone throws the usual 'rascist'-in this case, yes, I am. M.
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Spot on blackstar. Both sides are at fault, but Israel has the power to inflict much more brutal and quick effect. I think I read that "only" a handful on Israelis outside of Gaza had been killed by Palestinian missiles. Palestinian casualties lie at roughly 400 now.

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Israel puts its weapons on the surface and hides its people in underground shelters to protect them. Hamas leaves its people on the surface and hides its rockets in underground shelters to protect them. That is part of the reason why they suffer higher casualties. Hamas effectively uses their civilian population as human shields for their weapons.
 
A 100:1 fatality ratio in favout of Israel is disproportiante.

After being blockaded Israel has got to expect retaliation.

It's funny how a precision air strike isn't terrorism but unguided rockets is. Palestine does not have the same military capability. Hence they fight with what they've got. The West should provide the democratically elected govt of Palestine with equal air support and anti aircraft technology to level the playnig field.

Nevermind Israel will lose as many citizens in the end. Their air strikes are creating a breeding ground for suicide bombers.
 
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The West should provide the democratically elected govt of Palestine with equal air support and anti aircraft technology to level the playnig field.

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I won't pretent to know much about the situation, but that sounds completely mad to me
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