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Hello.
I need your advice again.
http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=453829
I posted this thread 2 years ago and got lovely advice. I've been calling every rescue organisation around but i face excuses every time.
The horse in question is on deaths door. Sometimes he lays for hours, attempting to get up. I'll call his owner in tears and get the same 'I'll be down soon' yet he won't.
I'll call rspca, redwings, world horse welfare, essex horse rescue to be faced with similar b*lls*it excuses.
Monday the RSPCA came down, I was riding, after 15 mins they got out of the car and shouted to me 'is this your horse', 'no' i answered and he went to get back in his car, I ran over to him, giving owners name, horse age, state ect (none of which he wrote down) and he left. Next day a different officer arrives, this time not even going to look at the horse, leaves 15 mins later. No compliance notice, no action taken.

This has been going on for 2 years, i've stood by this horse in the snow, with no rugs on, no fat or muscle, trying to fed him hay that i've bought, i've taken rugs off my own horses back because he needed them more. Food out of my own horses bucket, because i know that his owner isn't going to come.

I'm not an RSPCA basher, they do some incredible work with animals all over the country, but i want them to know, i want this thread to prove that they have let this horse down.

This is a difficult one for me. Due to my user name and pictures it's very obvious who i am. The owner may find out, but this poor creatures life is worth it.

***I'm going to attach some pics and a video.
Please look away if the sight of skinny horses upsets you, i will take them down if you wish.***

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhiyIAP0Fsw&feature=youtu.be
video taken mid june 2012, its not cold and i don't think he has any trapped nerves. this video was forwarded in an email to the rspca officer on his case.

The rest of these pictures were taken yesterday while i was giving him some food, his owner said he's gone on holiday and has left half a bag of feed out. I got a note saying i was to feed him. ( I was not asked)

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkeN-Iq-LJo&feature=youtu.be
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I honestly don't know what else to do short of getting a vet to put the poor creature down myself, but that's probably impossible and is certainly the job of an owner or welfare team.
 
Oh love, it's so sad - and I feel your frustration.

The one place that do seem to pull their fingers out of their backsides are the BHS.

Give Lee Hackett a buzz - and also PM him on here.
 
I will do. what organisation does he work for?
The usual i get from horse specific organisation is 'the RSPCA are handling this case and it is under investigation'
Similar from the RSPCA i'll get 'thanks for your concern, i'll pass that on to the relevant case worker'.

But for two years now this has been under investigation and nothing has been done, i fear everyones' just waiting for him to quietly die :(
 
Im not a fan of the rspca atall they are clueless but how old is this horse? I havnt watched the videos but from the pics i agree horse is clearly not in good condition atall and ide be ashamed if it was one of mine but to me dosnt exactly look on deaths door imo
 
Poor horse, well done for trying to make his life better.

Only thing I can think of is to target the owner socially as you know them.

Send the pictures to their workplace, around their social circle, start a facebook page to name and shame?
Shame them into looking after him properly.
Or contact the local newspaper, they are often looking for animal interest stories.

Obviously that could open a whole can of very nasty worms for yourself so I'm not recommending it, just it is something you can do.
 
Just reading through your original post, and see that this horse is on a livery yard.

Why hasn't the YO done anything??
 
To me he looks like he needs a good feed programme , farrier and some TLC.

I've seen worse tbh.
 
BBH said:
To me he looks like he needs a good feed programme , farrier and some TLC.

I've seen worse tbh.
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This.

He doesn't look horrendous tbh but clearly there is a lack of care there and the poor boy DEFINITELY looks like he needs to be rugged in winter in snow etc and obviously every horse needs feeding and watering every day.

Hopefully you can get some action taken as must be awful for you though.
 
Have you called the WHW welfare hotline? I presume so from your comment about other organisations but if you haven't, then the number is 08000 480180 - just don't mention any prior RSPCA involvement. If the horse needs removing to a place of safety you can get the local police involved - a constable is one of the people in the Animal Welfare Act who can remove it, on instruction from a vet. But is it acute enough to be considered at risk?
 
Okay, i understand people have seen worse but for 2 years? bearly any grass as it hasn't been picked in years, he's well known to eat fences and poo.

Not on a livery yard, rented fields with horses either side. We all rent a paddock each. Owner of the land is an elderly lady in her late 80's has spoken to him before but she has more pressing health issues on her mind.
People are scared to talk to him, he gets on well with me. I've offered to take him off his hands, to buy him, to work with him ect.
We had a nice little set up last year where he'd bring down food and i'd feed him 3 times a day but he said i was wasting food and stopped it.

I understand my first post could have been more detailed and people want questions answered but i have to go out soon, sorry.
 
Let us know if Lee can help. He was brilliant a few years ago with two horses in desparate need of help.

I'm sure some people have seen worse - however that's no consolation to you or the horse that clearly is doing really badly.
 
Poor horse hes obviously neglected but there are much worse cases. Sadly while it sounds like its you thats been keeping him going the rspca wont do a thing, if you left him to go without so he was on deaths door they might actually step in but no horse lover could really do that so your damed if you do and damed if dont :(
Why is nobody else on yard kicking up a fuss? YO does have a duty of care surely?
 
I'm waiting for him to get back to me.
I will not leave this. I don't want to walk past his field and find him dead due to noone wanting to say anything.

in regards to the feet, i have been here just under 3 years and have never seen a vet, farrier or wormer in sight. I've seen him trim the fronts about a year and a half ago but he can bearly pick his back feet up without wobbling on them. Not lame in any but he never really has the energy to go faster than a fast walk.
 
God why does he shake like that? Is that common for him? That's so sad. Poor guy. Well done you for doing your best for him.
 
Is it just you and this man or are there other liveries on the land too?

Could you all not gang up on him? Get the owner to write an eviction notice, stating that unless he starts attending to the horse daily on x date she will have no choice but to ask him to leave (hopefully he wouldnt do that!)

I agree it is absolutely awful and I would be in floods of tears most days down there looking at him too if it was me.

If the poor boy doesn't even have access to water some days then I would say he must be a case for neglect surely?

Hopefully the BHS will help, if not start a FB campaign on FB or something and name and shame RSPCA and any other bodies that have ignored this case, post on their FB pages etc. Action must be taken.
 
One other livery besides me, not willing to speak up to him.
The owner is the scary sort, i was always told to stay on the right side of him or my horse would be the one to suffer.
We get on well, i give him nudges but i have to word things carefully like 'the weather means the grass is terrible, im having to feed my horse up, hows prince doing and whats he on?'

or 'I've just had the vet out for jabs, £150 that set me back, how much of a whole does yours make?'

ect.
 
I agree that this is a poor horse.
However, there is indications that he is surviving. He is upright, he is eating, his feet to not look that terrible. Yes, he is scabby, he has had rainscald.

The first line of report from any of the agencies would be to give advice to the owner as to keeping the horse in a reasonable manner.
Not one of the agencies would sieze or prosecute from these pictures - there are MUCH worse horses & ponies all over the country.

Its very hard for those who keep their animals in one way to even comprehend how others do not lavish the same with theirs.

Yes, speak to the BHS, the animal will be inspected and advice given - with follow-up calls as and when required by the local welfare officer.
 
Local paper might be interested as you have a good record of the last two years and good photos that show neglect clearly to people who don't know anything about horses.

You need to provide them with as many facts as you can so they can present the story.

If it's anything like our local paper, they are always looking for local stuff to fill up the paper.
 
The Fuzzy Furry said:
I agree that this is a poor horse.
However, there is indications that he is surviving. He is upright, he is eating, his feet to not look that terrible. Yes, he is scabby, he has had rainscald.

The first line of report from any of the agencies would be to give advice to the owner as to keeping the horse in a reasonable manner.
Not one of the agencies would sieze or prosecute from these pictures - there are MUCH worse horses & ponies all over the country.

Its very hard for those who keep their animals in one way to even comprehend how others do not lavish the same with theirs.

Yes, speak to the BHS, the animal will be inspected and advice given - with follow-up calls as and when required by the local welfare officer.
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I understand, We've all see the skinny minis on the tv but this is so close to home i can't look at him without my heart dropping.
My issue with it is, the rpsca may be giving improvements but i can assure you he still doesn't get fed, his field has not been cleaned and he still has no access to shelter, all in two years. I would have thought there'd be a 7 day or 14 day deadline to improve conditions. last year redwings (i think) may have been whw, Came out and did a report on him, took bloods and a poo sample to determine whether he was unhealthy or had a kidney, liver problem ect. owner told me these all came back clear and healthy, just needed food.

I just wonder why its taking so long. A full 2 years this month.
 
When you spoke to him about buying him, what did he say? If it was me, and no one was doing anything, I'm afraid I would poo pick, and give him some of my own hay, but that is just me.
 
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