This has gone on too long.

31 barrows is a hell of a lot! How much land is he on? I really do feel for you, it must be horrid. Hopefully he has left you something, obviously you have quite a bit to do with him, how do his teeth look?
 
Well done for stepping in and helping, whilst not a neglect case, the poor horse could clearly do with being looked after better/more regularly :(

What I am going to say is that if the RSPCA did decide to prosecute, both you (as you're helping take care of the horse) and also the field owner are as liable as the horses actual owner for it's welfare. Hopefully the BHS will be able to step in and help resolve this situation.
 
tabithakat64 said:
Well done for stepping in and helping, whilst not a neglect case, the poor horse could clearly do with being looked after better/more regularly :(
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How is this not neglect?

What I am going to say is that if the RSPCA did decide to prosecute, both you (as you're helping take care of the horse) and also the field owner are as liable as the horses actual owner for it's welfare. Hopefully the BHS will be able to step in and help resolve this situation.
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Please don't spout rubbish. OP would not be liable for any prosecution/charge or otherwise.
 
Field isnt massive but neither is my barrow. Took the best part of 4 hours, including being chased around by him. Im going to ignore my being liable, after calling well over 50+ times to various national and local organisations i think im the only person in the world trying to help.
In regards to his teeth hes got worn down fronts, but told hes had them years after chewing the fences to peices. Lived here all his life since 10 months old, never been anywhere, never moved, never had company.
The gate to his field was unlocked last year to let the redwings vet team in and has since never been locked or shut properly. I hoped gypsys would take him but i doubt that'd ever happen lol. I cant see his story ending well. Calling bhs now
 
Oh the poor thing. Does he always shake when he eats?
Call world horse welfare, they are great and really do care. They also know about horses unlike the RSPCA. My local RSPCA officer didn't know what to look for when I called about a lice infested horse, I don't think the RSPCA should be involved with horses personally.
 
Poor poor boy- He's lucky to have you around.
Your not liable, of course your not sadly though I fear the RSPCA's case will be (I know ive been there) as someone is looking out for the horse (ie you) even though its not the correct person there is nothing to be done about it.
I once reported something really horrible but as the horse was given assistance by someone else the RSPCA said its needs had been dealt with. :(
Im not saying stop by any means, he needs you just I don't think you can count on the RSPCA to intervene.
Can I buy him a bag of feed or something? Sorry I cant afford much but I can do that.
 
BBH said:
I've seen worse tbh.
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So have I but that doesn't mean this is okay :(

OP have you tried World Horse Welfare? I don't know how good they are in cases like this but it might be worth a try. I feel so bad for you, not being able to do anything. Poor pony doesn't look like a happy bunny :(

ETA just seen that other horse welfare organisations have been involved. I hope the BHS can help xx
 
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Bhs has been called and im meeting a welfare officer in the morning. Unfortunatly she remembers meeting me before at this location. I told her i want things done this time.
To the lovely person that wanted to donate feed, thats an extremely kind gesture but he's okay for the moment. If the bhs manage to help him then thats where my monthly donation to the rspca is going to go instead.

Also he does not always shake when eating, for the month of june he did it pretty much all the time he was stood up.
 
Possibly the problem stopping anything official being done is that you are doing enough to keep him legal...topping up his water, feeding him and so on.

I don't blame you for doing so - I would and have done the same - but the result is that poor horse isn't actually bad enough to seize and prosecute.

If you really can take him on it might be worth working with the welfare authorities to get them to put enough pressure on the owner to give him to you. If they think that they won't have to find and fund a rescue space they may be willing to niggle his owner enough for him to want rid?Also, maybe your YO can also help by complaining to him about the hassle she's receiving as 80 years old or not, strictly speaking she is liable for his state too. In the meantime, I would keep up the watering and feeding (document all you do to prove that the owner isn't IYSWIM) but stop the poo picking etc. to emphasise the neglect. Also try and stay on the right side (somehow!) of the owner as A) you've got to protect your own horse and B) you want him to see you as his saviour rather than an enemy if that makes sense?
 
Sound advice cbmtcs.

I've stopped the poo picking, i did it in december because he's started leaning across the fence to eat my horses poo :( so i cleaned it up and freed up some grass space.
Last year i steeled myself for months, i didn't touch him, feed him but he got very low and still they did nothing so i stepped back in.

I would love to take him on, i looked after him when i was 14 (possibly younger) i remember a friend was loaning him and offered me a ride. He was a lovely ride, he was the first horse i jumped over 3ft on, and the last! That was the last time he was ridden and the last loan he had.

He's become nasty ( i know he doesn't mean to be but hunting for a better word) around people. If you walk in his field he will run at you and go for a kick.

Me and him have an understanding. He doesn't kick, headbutt or bite me and in exchange i love him. Suits us well.
 
Jessi your last post "cause i love him " actually brought lump to throat. a simple phrase but means so much. bless you and i so so hope this ends well for both you and horse x
 
babymare said:
Jessi your last post "cause i love him " actually brought lump to throat. a simple phrase but means so much. bless you and i so so hope this ends well for both you and horse x
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Many thanks but i'm doing no more than any of you would but believe me it's difficult to love him!

Here's a video following the other one from yesterday, he was chasing me away from his hay. I'm not scared of him and he knows this well but his angry faces make me smile.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLGX_dIVeJs&feature=youtu.be

We've just spent an hour listening to johnny cash while i plaited his pathetic tail (no offence to him, it just makes me laugh against my mares fluffy native brush!) and took a walk round the field.

Theres something about him that screams to you. He's so stubborn, a horse that would try to the hide pain yet at the same time he greets me everyday regardless of whether i carry food or not, he will stand for me, he trusts me to touch him, rug him and groom him. all from a horse with minimum social contact for about 8 years.
 
TandD said:
why wont his owner sell him to you?
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He just always says no. I've said it in jest, in a serious meeting and even left a note on his car haha!

In 2011 a previous loaner who hadn't seen him in years offered him £1,500 cash that day. He said no without hesitation. He has money, he's certainly not poor! Maybe he thinks he's worth money.
 
I'm not normally a soppy sap but the sight of this poor chap and your desperation to help him has made me tearful, he is lucky to have you looking out for him.x
 
Here is a thought. Call a vet, if he is a removable the vet will call the RSPCA who will then attend and go through the process with the police. It is the vets say so. Or if not removable in vets opinion the vet can issue advice and charge it to the RSPCA. This is a very common situation. So if you are that worried call a vet!!
 
Whilst undoubtably underweight I would be surprised if this horse is removable under section 4 awa. You say the owner had left half a bag of food? And albeit in a not great way, has arranged feeding responsibility through you? So the owner is taking SOME responsibility then? And now the owner is aware you are the person responsible?
Now you are obviously a caring responsible person for being quite rightly concerned but is there more to the story? Can you be absoloutly sure that advice hasn't been given to the owner? Sometimes these things take time... at the end of the day the vet that supports suffering on a animal has to stand up in court and be totally convinced that NO REASONABLE STEPS HAVE BEEN TAKEN by the person responsible to ensure the needs are met. There is now 2 years of potential evidence that is damaged every time someone else feeds/waters the horse... Hard to say but true.
Would be very interested to know what happens tomorrow. Either way I hope something gets done.
 
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