This has gone on too long.

I actually came upon a horse similar to this except he has a grey gelding by his side too, they were tethered with chains, and as you said were led down for hours all skin and bone only sometimes having a rug, there was a bay and a grey, the ponies got moved before we could make a complaint :(
 
And let me tell you something - The RSPCA are not acting because he's not going to drop dead, they like to help at the last minute and make it look like they saved the horse asap like in that condition ;)
 
A horse was as bad as you say and no one will help.
The kindest thing being to put horse down.
I would lie to vet or hunts man.
Say it was my horse and have it put down.
I would accept the consequences.

This horse may not be at that stage yet.

Try and get media coverage, start a Facebook page.
Write to a politician.
 
Im sorry but having a horse put down that isnt yours you would need full passport etc, and i think it would be rather inconsiderate to not let owner know wether or not they care for it!! He looks like a lovely boy, and he seems to have your best interests at heart!!
 
CobbyHoofs said:
And let me tell you something - The RSPCA are not acting because he's not going to drop dead, they like to help at the last minute and make it look like they saved the horse asap like in that condition ;)
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Yeah, course.

On that note - how come WHW haven't acted?:confused:
 
moodymare123 said:
Im sorry but having a horse put down that isnt yours you would need full passport etc, and i think it would be rather inconsiderate to not let owner know wether or not they care for it!! He looks like a lovely boy, and he seems to have your best interests at heart!!
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I have never been asked for a passport when having a horse pts
 
Gingerwitch said:
I have never been asked for a passport when having a horse pts
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How would you feel if someone just pts your horse out of the blue without any consultation?

I think this is the most ridiculous suggestion (not by you, but by the poster who suggested it) I have ever heard.

OP, the police have all the powers which NO charity or organisation have - if that horse is suffering, then on the advice of a vet, they can authorise his pts without owners, or anyone's, consent. Why not just get a vet out, and see what the vet says?
 
alma said:
well done for hanging in there, however, does the bhs lady have any power to make owner do something , or would she have to pass to rspca ?
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Neither the BHS lady or the RSPCA have any power to make the owner do anything that you I or OP could not get him to do they have exact the same powers as anyone.
A compliance notice is just a piece of paper that proves the owner was advised of certain things it might help in the future however as it was not given to the owner the line of evidence is muddied.
OP well done just hang on in there for the poor old boy.
It so frustrating its supposed to be Ilegal not to meet a pets needs it seems the law is still not working.
 
Moomin1 said:
How would you feel if someone just pts your horse out of the blue without any consultation?

I think this is the most ridiculous suggestion (not by you, but by the poster who suggested it) I have ever heard.

OP, the police have all the powers which NO charity or organisation have - if that horse is suffering, then on the advice of a vet, they can authorise his pts without owners, or anyone's, consent. Why not just get a vet out, and see what the vet says?
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Because the vet will say the horse is a 1.5 on the condition score needs xyz to eat and it's teeth doing worming etc etc then send her a bill .
And I think just having a horse PTS that does not belong to you when it's owner is on holiday is about the most barking suggestion I have ever heard on HHO .
 
You always need to tell the passport company that the horse has been put to sleep anyway! Wether or not passport has been asked for, from my experience it has always been asked as vet need to be a hundred percent that it is there horse because of it wasnt they would be liable!! And also to write down everything they have been injected with so they cant be sent to slaughter!!
 
The welfare organisations will not act because in relation to a lot of what they see he is not that bad. I know that sounds callous but they are full to the gills with rescues and he would have to be at deaths door before they will prosecute and that costs money.
I would have to say you either have to ignore him, try social net work or neighbours to put pressure on the owner or just keep on feeding him yourself.
There have been so many welfare cases this winter that its hard for all the horse welfare organisations, I am not saying this horse is well cared for but it definitely not the worst I have seen. We all have to stop thinking the RSPCA is going to save them, they are not.
 
OP was the bhs person a vet? If not it is ill advised to state a body score. A vets opinion is the only one that matters at the end of the day.
Also slightly worrying that they gave the notice to you, to give to the owner? Very odd practice.
 
Threaten SPCA that you will go to the newspaper unless they get onto it and remove the horse.

Poor thing looks terrible and that is awful rain scald he has on his back.

The more public fuss that is made the more the Horse Rescue people do - they don't like bad publicity.
 
Tnsvas people could go to every newspaper in the world, but 3 organisations have seen the horse and 3 have not removed it. Does this not tell you something?

Very simple. Get a vet. If a vet will support suffering the horse will be removed. The RSPCA or anyone else cannot remove the horse unless this is the case. So whatever newspapers say is utterly irrelevant
 
MillyMoomie said:
OP was the bhs person a vet? If not it is ill advised to state a body score. A vets opinion is the only one that matters at the end of the day.
Also slightly worrying that they gave the notice to you, to give to the owner? Very odd practice.
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The BHS person was a welfare professional, well able to make a judgement on the condition score of the animal.

As for handing the notice to the OP - well as the owner is on hols, a bit difficult to hand it to him. At least with the OP there is an assurance that owner will see the notice on his return from holiday - rather than it getting blown away.....
 
Sorry, had driving test.
1, im not getting him put down, silly advice, you can't just go round having horses shot. His owner would also subsequenty put me down.
2. I dont know if the bhs lady was a vet. I didnt ask to see her qualifications or school leavers book. She took out a peice of paper with a picture for each number of the scale. She circled 1 and put a note saying 1.5, i think, i wasnt watching. I was too busy stopping prince eating her lovely bag.
3, action is being taken. Yay! Have been in contact with a few of the bhs workers and been told how they are going to take action. Im not going to repeat it in here as i was asked not to!
4, the notice of compliance was given to me and i will put it on the fence closer to the day he's here, simply so it doesnt wash away with the rain. Im keeping my eyes peeled for him car around but in laminate the notice with selotape none the less.

As it stands prince is currently still there. About to have some munch and very soggy ): he's hiding behind his tree which is literally just a few twigs! Similar to a tree you'd find in the desert!
 
MillyMoomie said:
Tnsvas people could go to every newspaper in the world, but 3 organisations have seen the horse and 3 have not removed it. Does this not tell you something?

Very simple. Get a vet. If a vet will support suffering the horse will be removed. The RSPCA or anyone else cannot remove the horse unless this is the case. So whatever newspapers say is utterly irrelevant
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Yes it does tell me something that half the time the people who work for RSPCA don't know one end of a horse from the other! The condition of the horse is a disgrace.

A few years ago we had a case of two neglected mares - SPCA went to see them and when the person complained again advised that they had seen them and were keeping an eye on them - we got together and collectively wrote an email to the relevant place - we (readers on a NZ forum) sent money to the local feed store for food for these horses while the person who had made the complaint went and fed them. One had the most horrendous fistular on her wither as a result of the ripped and ill fitting rug she had on. Following the bombardment of emails SPCA finally uplifted the horses and they went to a rescue centre where one of the mares died - the other with the terrible fistula battled for many months to regain her health and is now a much loved member of the rescue centre.
 
Tnavas the fact you are stating the SPCA tells me you are not in the Uk? In which case it is possible that where you are the SPCA have actual powers? That is totally different.
Here the RSPCA have no powers and it wouldn't matter how many people wrote to a newspaper if a vet wouldn't support in accordance with the animal welfare act.

Some particular inspectors I regularly work with are very capable in equines. They are considered equine officers and I personally have met some who are a mixture of previous national hunt jockeys, eventers, respected showing judge etc.

Amymay, regardless of a Bhs welfare officer being CAPABLE of accurately judging a body score, they wouldn't be considered a expert witness in court and therefore not useful evidence. In fact I have seen a bhs welfare officer ripped to shreds by a defence on this very fact. It doesn't mean they can't note it, just a note that its not always wise too.

My point of handing the notice to the OP is that it's kind of confusing the while situation further. If the BHS then contact the owner in say 2 wks time when the owner is back and ask what they done to rectify the pints on the notice, the owner can simu point a finger to the OP to say they never received the notice, unless the OP or the BHS can prove this there is no point what's so ever in giving it. Unless the BHS explained this to the OP? I personally feel sorry for the OP
 
MillyMoomie said:
OP was the bhs person a vet? If not it is ill advised to state a body score. A vets opinion is the only one that matters at the end of the day.
Also slightly worrying that they gave the notice to you, to give to the owner? Very odd practice.
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Nonsense I was trained to body score when a welfare officer it's not rocket science .
However I would never have told OP my score it would have recorded it with my observations and shared with colleagues .
I would not have given notice to OP I would have found where the owner lived and put it through his door .
When he returned from holiday I would be visiting him.
A vets opinion is not the only thing that matters in such cases this case may well be solved by a welfare officer who prepared to go and knock the owners door and then do it again and again and again until something ( loan to OP in this case I think) gets sorted.
No one going to be in a rush to remove this horse it has an owner who can afford to keep it and a friend who's trying to help it it's in a better place than many, things are crap out there at the moment .
 
Really, is there any need for this?

The OP is trying to help an animal in need.

She has gone down the correct route of asking welfare organisations for help.

This is now in hand and an action plan put in place.

There really is very little more to say other than we all await the outcome.
 
You know MM in court an expert witness can be many things a vet yes on the veterinary side and in my case an expert in whats the normal way for a good owner to handle horse care I was a witness in a case where the main evidence was mine , telling the magistrates how a good normal horse owner approaches their horse having lice the person was given a life ban.
 
MillyMoomie said:
My point of handing the notice to the OP is that it's kind of confusing the while situation further. If the BHS then contact the owner in say 2 wks time when the owner is back and ask what they done to rectify the pints on the notice, the owner can simu point a finger to the OP to say they never received the notice, unless the OP or the BHS can prove this there is no point what's so ever in giving it. Unless the BHS explained this to the OP? I personally feel sorry for the OP
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I'll take a dated picture. My problem is putting it on his fence, its knowing when to do it as I rarely see him, as he's rarely down. I think i'll just ahve to keep an eye out for his car (he lives up the road from the horse, do not know address however) and as soon as i see his motor i'll pop it on the fence.
 
Goldenstar I know exactly what an expert witness is, I am one! You have misunderstood me. You can be a witness and a expert witness. Of course the expert witness evidence is not the only evidence there is. Whichever welfare officer that originally dealt with any animal in question would be required to give a statement. A horse having lice and advising what a reasonable person would do is quite different to stating in court the body score, explaining that body score and backing it up with blood tests etc EVIDENCE that only the vet can provide.
However there is nothing to stop a welfare officer interviewing the owner and presenting them with the codes of practice (which has body score in it) and asking them what they think their horse is, and then the officer agreeing or disagreeing with them.
Of course anyone else that has dealt with this horse is also potential evidence, now this is my point with the OP, potentially they will have quite valuable evidence in proving that the owner received a notice.
 
MillyMoomie said:
Tnavas the fact you are stating the SPCA tells me you are not in the Uk? In which case it is possible that where you are the SPCA have actual powers? That is totally different.
Here the RSPCA have no powers and it wouldn't matter how many people wrote to a newspaper if a vet wouldn't support in accordance with the animal welfare act.

Some particular inspectors I regularly work with are very capable in equines. They are considered equine officers and I personally have met some who are a mixture of previous national hunt jockeys, eventers, respected showing judge etc.

Amymay, regardless of a Bhs welfare officer being CAPABLE of accurately judging a body score, they wouldn't be considered a expert witness in court and therefore not useful evidence. In fact I have seen a bhs welfare officer ripped to shreds by a defence on this very fact. It doesn't mean they can't note it, just a note that its not always wise too.

My point of handing the notice to the OP is that it's kind of confusing the while situation further. If the BHS then contact the owner in say 2 wks time when the owner is back and ask what they done to rectify the pints on the notice, the owner can simu point a finger to the OP to say they never received the notice, unless the OP or the BHS can prove this there is no point what's so ever in giving it. Unless the BHS explained this to the OP? I personally feel sorry for the OP
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SPCA has the same powers as your RSPCA - they had to act - we emailed the head of SPCA en masse!
 
poor you how horrid having to face this every day. I had a very similar story. A horse was at my livery yard and owner was elderly and sick. YO did not want to know so I called the RSPCA who were brilliant came in a week and talked calmly to YO who was so embarrassed she took steps to feed the poor horse and then he went to someone who could look after him until the owner was better. The RSPCA often get slated but in reality they are dealing with thousands like the horse in the photos...made so much worse by the harsh winter. If I were you I would keep ringing them and even send a photo in anonymously. I would be careful of naming and shaming on facebook as this could make your life hell.
 
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