this horse meant that! and i thought i had trouble with Flint!!

I do think the horse needed a bullet, well of course he did if he had a brain tumour.
but even without the tumour that behaviour is just too dangerous , especially as the horse appeared to give no warning.

Im not blaming the horse , the racing industry puts a lot of pressure and strain on young horses, and some just hate racing!

We had a lovely gelding who was bred to point to point, at a race he would go beserk, trying to rear, get away and generally do anything to not be there.

After a few times it became apparant the horse just hated racing, he was a star at home, he has now been a hunter for the last 7 years and has never put a hoof wrong and is totally safe.

His behaviour was never as bad as that horse in the vid though.
 
I would if it repeatedly did this despite having veterinary assessment to see if there was a physical cause for the problem. I think at the beginning of the video the commentator said it did a similar thing to a jockey the week before (I can't hear it very well as laptop speakers are naff and I don't have the best of hearing).

I have no doubt that in the racing world, vets etc would have been called in to look this horse over. Of course the horse should have physical conditions ruled out. It's the way this horse goes up and over that particularly shocks me. If you watch him when the jockey gets on, he looks perfectly calm. No sign whatsoever of the action which is about to come. Most bizarre.

Horses behaving like this really put their riders in life and death situations. I wouldn't get on it and I wouldn't expect anyone else to take that risk either. Much as I love horses, I value human life more preciously and couldn't live with my conscience should this horse kill someone. To my mind, this particular horse was more than capable of such an act.
 
I cannot agree with pts becuase the horse will not race (I think someone said it was fine at home?).
Sadly, I think for a racehorse that is the attitude it will get.
I think more effort should be put in to finding this home, it really does annoy me when people say, I'll pts because otherwise he might get passed on.
So might a healthy horse. There are loands.
IF we all went for 'ifs' 'buts' and so on, would we ever ride, in case said horse flipped suddenly. Would we ever do anything?
Just my opinion though.
 
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It really really irritates me when people start shouting "that horse needs a bullet". Racehorses are backed far too young and have a great deal of pressure put on them at a very young age, I dont find it surprising at all when the odd horse might rebel against it.

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The horse is bred to race, the horse runs. You will find that the horse runs because it feels it needs to. It's bred into them. You can see similar effects with humans. My dad is extremely arty, but my mum isn't at all. I love being arty, and my drawing style and handwriting are almost a complete mirror of my dad's but I had never seen him draw/write untill this Christmas. (My parents are separated)

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I cant believe so many of you supposed horse-lovers are so quick to judge and kill a horse.

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Maybe we are horse-lovers, but we also value humans too. No horse should be valued enough to take the life of a human.

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One of my horses has bolted with me (through a barbed wire fence etc.) and bronc'd me off about 6 times, however the rest of the time he's 100% brilliant but occassionally he'll panic. It shocks me that some of you may have put a horse like this to sleep by now......

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Fair enough, but that isn't as serious behaviour as shown in the video and he's only doing it occasionally. If he did this regularily, I'm sure you wouldn't be so chuffed.
 
Agree. Ok if the horses behaviour is not that bad or you are capable at handling it when it/if it goes bezerk than well and good.I don't agree that it could have just been kept in the field. What does keeping a potentially dangerous horse as an expensive garden ornament do, aside from give its owner a warm and fuzzy feeling?? the danger will still be there..
 
S_O you just said what i was trying to say in a better way! Keeping a dangerous horse is just completely dumb tbh, its dangerous, could potentially be sat on again and kill someone and could well get worse and get dangerous in the field as well. I get so annoyed when people say 'oh no dont shoot it' because thats why there are so many dangerous horses around these days.
ETS i'm not meaning just a naughty horse, im meaning something seriously dangerous like that, that is not in physical pain but has a mental problem.
 
Also not just the risk of it harming someone else, but also doing serious damage to itself especially if it's behaviour is veterinary related...
 
QR. I am sorry, but if the horse had hurt someone the week before, why race it again so soon? Surely it's take time for vets reports to come through? That jockey could have been killed, and IMO that is one lethal horse.

By all means get it checked out before PTS, but TBH who would take on a retired racehorse that was known for doing that?
Put it to sleep and save it future misery....
 
As I said before, the horse was also a high spirited ride but certainly never did anything like that at home. I cant ever remember it even going up an inch at home. The race the week before was its first since having a break, so the bad behavious was put down to high spirits. The horse did not race that day, why shouldnt it run a week later?
The owner of that horse is a very wealthy and kind lady. When I was head girl for the yard we took 3 runners to Folkestone for her. The first one shattered a pastern on the flat, she wouldnt let us run any of the others for fear of them hurting themselves.
She is certainly wealthy enough to keep a horse as a companion as she so wished, but what use is that to a horse that is wrong in the head.
The outcome I heard was that the horse went in for a brain scan before being PTS for insurance purposes. As far as I know the insurance company paid out, and as you know, if you can satisfy them there must have been something wrong with it.
I have no idea whether he was PTS or not, I have never wanted to ask to know for sure, but I heard he was from another source.
I have every confidence that the owner, although sentimental, would have done the right thing.
 
they had every right to put that horse down it was damn dangerous no little hops to indicate it was going to go over just flipped it put so much energy into its back feet left the ground.
Granted it had something wrong with it in that case but if any horse did that i had i would have it pts brain tumor or not.
I am a horse lover but like somebody else said its that attitude why dangerous horses stay alive and seriously injure and kill people.
 
my horse does rear as a get out of doing something clause. Now if Flint were to rear like that and 1) break someones collar bone and 2) the week after violenly throw himself over like that i would seriously consider PTS. Horses like that are a danger, and i know ofr a fact the less work flint has the worse he is to handle in general so being a companion wouldnt work for him. and if i were to sell him and a 14 year old girl should buy him eventually and she was seriously injured becauseof flints actions then i would be extremely upset. If a dog attacked a human it is in 99% f cases PTS. these are not animals you can win a fight with and why would you want to, im afraid to say for their OWN safety they shuld be PTS, that horse was very lucky not to break its back in that flip
 
Also with problems such as brain tumours they cannot be cured and often lead to even more erratic behaviour and a very unhappy horse
Also the fact of the matter is - not all horses would be happy as a companion - a LOT of horses i know woudl be miserable in a field for the rest of their life and some would be even more dangerous in that situation and would just jump out.
For its OWN safety, happiness and comfort (as well as others) it is the kinder thing to do.
 
That's exactly what my old mare used to do. She only tried to flip over backwards with me once, but she did it successfully to a few other people. I had her for 16 years, apparently nothing physically wrong with her. I kept her because I adored her and she was actually a lovely lively ride when she wasn't rearing.

She eventually became safe-ish with me every 9 rides out of 10 but she was opinionated so you had to ride her quite sensitively.

If I got another horse like this these days, there is no question that I would have it put to sleep though.
 
i'd have said brain tumor too, when i was 13 i helped out riding for a local dealer and the exact same thing happened to me. i wasn't as lucky as the jockey though and nearly lost my leg.
the dealer then sold the poor horse to an unsuspecting family only for it to injure there daughter and then be shot 1 week after doing my leg in.
 
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for those who think a horse with a tumour can live in a happy retired environment think again.
i had a retired Pointer, who'd tipped up a fair few times during her somewhat chequered career..she started doing this towards the end of her life.
i had her for 8 months and anything faster than a plod round the lane, at a walk, would trigger off her rearing.
eventually she had an aneurism...and bled slowly to death during the night before veterinary treatment could be sought.

this is my reason for siding with the "it should be shot" folk. if she had been PTS she wouldnt of endured a slow and painful death.
 
Sounds like PTS was the best option for this horse, but I would like to say I do hate it when you get posts that are "shoot it" "its dangerous" as if it is all the fault of the horse.

Yes its behaviour was extremely dangerous, but all I felt watching that video and reading the story behind the horse was sorrow for this beautiful creature who was obviously very ill. A necessary end, but a very sad one all the same. Lets not forget that in this instance at least it sounds like the horse wasn't doing it on purpose to hurt someone, but was very sick.
 
"That attitude"?! THAT attitude is the kind that actually gives the horse the benefit of the doubt and try to understand it for a split second before deciding to end its life!

Yes, if the horse DID have a brain tumour - then there was nothing that could be done and yes, it could have ended up harming itself or others. However, its been said that this horse was absolutely fine at home. Personally, I find that odd. I dont think a nutter intent on harming people would be fine at home........

I think people are way too quick to sign a horse off. There could have been loads of reasons the horse did what he did. We'll likely never know. I know of a horse who reared up and went over 3 times on a girl during dressage (!) however it was eventually found that he was suffering from a very painful back problem. Since it was sorted, he has never done it again. If this horse had been in you peoples hands then it would have been shot by now. THAT is what angers me. By the way, Yes I HAVE got onto a horse who I knew reared. One of mine used to, occassionally they would be pretty nasty rears too. He simply did not like the pressures and stress of competing so I sold him to a hacking home and he's been perfect ever since.
 
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Lots of horses that are bred to race never make it to the track - or are turned into nice riding horses doing all manner of jobs. They certainly don't run about all the time - so I don't think its actually correct to say they "need" to run at all.
 
I dont really understand your point. 'A nutter intent of harming people' - the horse was ill for gods sake.
The horse did have a brain tumour, that is fact.
Are you saying that because he was ok at home, you would risk having him about the place as a happy hacker?
What if something happened to recreate the races. Perhaps a bus full of screaming children going past?
It only takes the once to kill someone, by then it is too late. It could even happen on the ground, leading him around the place, brain tumours are unpredictable.
That horse never had any issue with mounting even as a youngster, and that vid is a few years on from then. He was a grand horse, one of the yard favourites. Before his misbehaviours you would have said he would hunt, team chase, maybe even event. However, he would have always needed a good rider. For things like that a good rider is easy to find, for plodding about the place it isnt.
 
No animal should have to live just because you want it to. A horse isn't really a pet, especially a thoroughbred. A brain tumour was found so the kindest thing it to put the horse down. I'd like to think I would have the courage to do the same if it happened to one of mine. The danger factor doesn't even really come in to the equation here....its that horses health and welfare that counts. I know if I had a horse that reared and flipped like that even once, I couldn't sell it on....I couldn't live with my concience if something should happen.....could you?
 
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