This is what is wrong with Parelli etc.

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I know someone who trained their pony using Parelli. The pony is now a little star, but I am told that he used to be an absolute [****]. I’m fairly confident that this person used Parelli’s system to train their pony effectively and that it has produced a good result. To an extent, the general principles of Parelli-based training are hard to disagree with.

However, I am now of the opinion that Pat and Linda Parelli have too much in common with Gillian McKeith, the poo-poking lifestyle nutritionist.

The essence of what they are saying is difficult to disagree with. In the case of Parelli it is train your horse systematically and with patience, using a consistent set of processes that the horse can understand and assimilate without blowing it’s confidence or trust. In the case of McKeith it’s to stop being such a big fat pudding, lay off the burgers and cakes and start eating fruit and veg (something that your friendly GP has been advocating for much longer than this strange woman has been around).

Both Parelli and McKeith deem it necessary to market their advice for commercial gain. Nothing wrong with that. However, both try to be overly-scientific in attempt to seem more credible, trustworthy or even prophetic. Which is at best patronising, and at worse could be considered slick marketing verging on the dishonest (specifically in the case of McKeith and her “scientific credentials” – see below)

Mrs Gillian McKeith took the rather extreme step of buying a fake PhD off the internet. Thankfully, the Advertising Standards Authority upheld a complaint about this and she is now barred from using the style “Dr Gillian McKeith PdD” on her branded snake oil and other bunkum health food shop tat. She loves to don the white coat and poke around with people’s turds. But this is pure theatre or ritual. It’s all to give the impression that what she is telling you is coming from an expert.

If you are daft enough to fall for this kind of charade, to pay money for her advice or to buy her products then you are probably daft enough to pay hundreds of pounds a year to take reasonably good and useful (but over-marketed) information from a successful horse trainer who puts on some very entertaining demonstrations.

I used to admire what the Parellis do, but I’ve become so tired of the near cult-like approach that participants are expected to follow, the slick marketing of their products and all the silly gimmicks and psudo-science that seems to be put forward ahead of the actual instruction. It’s sad that all this OTT bullshit is detracting from the good stuff that I’m sure the so-called alternative horse training community wanted to advocate in the first place.
 
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Popcorn anyone?! ;-)

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yes please even though I'm stuffed from my dinner
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Yep, I think you have summed it up beautifully, which is why I pick and choose bits and bobs from all trainers (along with what comes naturally to me) to enhance what I do and in the end I found my own style which works very nicely for me and my horses.
 
I'm sorry that you dont like parelli, but sometimes not everything is suited to someone.

I have found parelli very useful myself
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but horses for courses as they say.
 
I'm a bit bored of the paralli threads now and am going to write a standard response in future BUT you should really read a book called "Counterknowledge: How We Surrendered to Conspiracy Theories, Quack Medicine, Bogus Science and Fake History"

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Counterknowledge...2373&sr=8-2

Its a fantastic book. Don't agree with all of it (some of his religious views are misguided) but it talks about exactly what you've just said, how common knowedge is either remarketed and sold for extortionate amounts or completely disregarded....
 
no one person knows everything. to be stuck in one way of thinking means you could potentially be missing out on the knowledge which could help form a stronger partnership with your neddy
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I'm sorry that you dont like parelli, but sometimes not everything is suited to someone.

I have found parelli very useful myself
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but horses for courses as they say.

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Have you read my post fully? Please read it again. I am complaining about the commercialism that surrounds Parelli. Why pay silly money for an orange whip? Why doesn't Parelli just say, "buy a whip this long, and hold it like this and use it like that"?
 
I do like some of the principles behind it but I don't like the zealous approach that it seems to inspire in people. There is never just one way of doing things and I'm not cruel for riding with a whip and spurs. Anyone who sees me and my horse together comments on how strong our bond is and it wouldn't be any stronger if I replaced the whip with a bouncy ball or hoop.
 
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Oh b****r I bought all her books why didnt my gp write it all down

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Because as a responable adult your supposed to understand what is good or bad for you and not delegate your responsability to some crazy lady who never presses a door bell with her own hands (it's true - if you've ever seen the TV shows she tends to use the sleve of her jacket as a barrier)
 
Well, imo people will pay £££ for a horse and then end up not being able to control or bond with it, usally ending up with the horse decreasing in value or not doing the job it was intended for.
When you compare the price of the parelli training tools, to say, mega buck saddles, it really isnt that much.

I have found the methods of training very useful, and especially the bond you create with the horse, and enables you to try greater things with your horse.

I am looking forward to starting up through the levels with a new horse, unfortunatley my old horse died.
 
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Well, imo people will pay £££ for a horse and then end up not being able to control or bond with it, usally ending up with the horse decreasing in value or not doing the job it was intended for.
When you compare the price of the parelli training tools, to say, mega buck saddles, it really isnt that much.

I have found the methods of training very useful, and especially the bond you create with the horse, and enables you to try greater things with your horse.

I am looking forward to starting up through the levels with a new horse, unfortunatley my old horse died.

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I don't disagree that much of what is advocated through parelli does appear to be effective. However, I'm sure it could be just as effective if people could simply be told about the basic principles without having to pay ££££ for gimmicks or membership.

Personally, I can't see why anyone would want to pay ££££s for a product when most cheaper alternatives are just as effective. It's about the brand. People who pay ££££s for parelli are paying for a label.
 
I have not read the threads completely (to be honest, i skim over half these long post! hehe). I think, and this is with my limited unstanding of parelli, the basis of it is about learning and incorporating horses' body language and using this to help us understand why they do certain things and how we can let me say 'persuade' them to conform to what we what them (the horse that is) to do/how to behave.

However, i just think it is all blown out of context and people have jumped on the bandwagon and many people decide this is 'the way' for them to work with their horse when in reality they may not have actually grasped the principles of it fully. I have heard about the whole bouncing balls off horses backs etc etc - I do not see where at all this associates with normal horse behaviour so there do not see the point.

I think a basic knowledge of horse behaviour and being able to read their body language and know how our body language can affect a horse is great but I feel Parelli is far too commercialised and many a horse can (I feel) be ruined with somebody thinking then can implement these methods if they actually have no real common sense or idea of animal behaviour!

I will take on various different people's views and am open to trying different things but i also believe that traditional methods MAY just be as effective as these 'new trends'! If I am getting the results i want and my horse is content then i am happy at the end of the day. I am yet to be convinced parelli is any better than any other training methods.
 
Totaly agree with the origanal post , but like to add there are better and more down to earth trainers in the states that we dont see over here chris cox, john lyons, stacy westfall, craig cameron etc all fantastic I guess they dont need to travel to make a living or maybe they arn't into taking over the world..
wish we could see more of them and less of the parelli circus and less of old monty I invented my past roberts,
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Well, imo people will pay £££ for a horse and then end up not being able to control or bond with it, usally ending up with the horse decreasing in value or not doing the job it was intended for.
When you compare the price of the parelli training tools, to say, mega buck saddles, it really isnt that much.

I have found the methods of training very useful, and especially the bond you create with the horse, and enables you to try greater things with your horse.

I am looking forward to starting up through the levels with a new horse, unfortunatley my old horse died.

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I mean obviously u wuld agree as ur name is parelli!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Never posted about Parelli before so here goes...

I read with amusement yesterday a post reply where someone said that parelli was all about mutual respect. Then, in a reply on the same thread said that the Horse should know at all times that we are in charge. This should be demonstrated by pulling the Horse round by its tail??!! What's mutual in that?

Ok, major flaw here. I want my Horse to have his own brain. I want him to have the ability to think for himself and not look to me all the time, especially when jumping. He's the one jumping, not me, and that matters a lot, especially XC. Christ, I want him to look after me when my legs go to jelly, I can't see a stride and I'm shi**ing myself at the height.

My own Horse comes to the gate whenever he sees my car, and sets out in great delight whenever I get on him or put him in the trailer (he bounds on to the trailer). Why?? Because he likes being ridden, he likes me, likes going to 'parties' and knows no fear from humans. He also knows that I am a human and NOT a Horse. This to me is the major flaw of parelli!! HUMANS AREN'T HORSES!!! We don't think or act like Horses and why should we. Horses aren't stupid, but people often are.

Look back hundreds, even thousands of years, and Horses are there with Humans. They carried us into battle, into walls of spears because they like to have a purpose, NOT because a carrot stick was waved at them. Parelli didn't exist then. Parelli is simply a marketing ploy. They charge £30 for a halter - I could tie one out of the same rope for £5. Funny how I've never felt the need for one.

Don't think for a second that I am totally anti 'natural horsemanship' - I'm not. I think that some things are good like some methods used by Richard Maxwell, Kelly Marks, Michael Peace and Monty. I do however feel that good old fashioned horsemanship, a bit of real mutual respect and the abilty to accept that we don't speak the same language is what works.

Unfortunately many people buy Horses who are too much for them and turn to parelli as a 'miracle cure'. I don't doubt that parelli methods, done correctly (which they often aren't) work. However, it's not a miracle cure for a partnership that will never work. How many people end up in a long term relationship with their first (human) love? Not many! If only people applied this thought to buying, and owning Horses, the Horsey world would be simpler.

I sold on my first Horse (chestnut mare flaxen mane in my pics below) because we didn't click. No issues, but just didn't feel right after 2 years of trying. She went to a great home. Second Horse, the dark bay gelding me in green jumper, was too much for me. Sold to a better rider and doing well. I loved him but never felt safe. The black on the right, we found each other. I've done things I never dreamt I would on Horseback with him..........THAT is mutual respect. No carrot stick in sight!
 
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Well, imo people will pay £££ for a horse and then end up not being able to control or bond with it, usally ending up with the horse decreasing in value or not doing the job it was intended for.

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If Parelli were really that effective, how do you account for the numbers of Parelli horses for sale cheap(ish) on Project Horses?

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When you compare the price of the parelli training tools, to say, mega buck saddles, it really isnt that much.

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Well, my saddle, which works perfectly well, didn't cost $4000+ (Parelli western saddles can cost up to $7000!) My lunge whip... sorry, 'carrot stick' didn't cost $62, my lunge line certainly didn't cost $66 and what's more the manufacturers never tried to persuade me that only THEIR stuff would do for my horse...

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I have found the methods of training very useful, and especially the bond you create with the horse, and enables you to try geater things with your horse.

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I've bonded perfectly well with all my horses without the need for Parelli. I honestly don' t mind people using Parelli if they feel it helps BUT the zeal of the Parelli-ists who will not tolerate any other form of training really gets my goat. Have a quick look you Youtube and you'll see what I mean.
I also take HUGE issue with Pat jumping a foal... what a great example to set. Especially to the inexperienced!
 
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