This makes me so angry!!

indiat said:
Clearly! Personally, I think if you whale on an animal you have lost control but then I'm just someone who has been riding for 20 years and spent thousands on lessons with good instructors. Just because I don't want to compete means I know nothing. But I'm always happy to be proved wrong - in what situation is this not only OK, but good horsemanship? I would prefer for some one to use reasoned argument to prove me wrong and I will give an apology with good grace, but please don't sneer.
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When, on this thread, does it say that because you do not compete you know nothing?
I don't readily beat my horses up either, I just think that on these forums it seems very easy for people to sit back and judge, without knowing what has happened in or around the situation. And np, I don't jump at that level either.
 
flamehead said:
So you guys have never lost your temper? How wonderful to be you.

I'm not saying its RIGHT, I'm just saying that you don't know the situation so take your sticky beaks elsewhere.
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Ta for the reasoned argument. I don't feel an apology and a change of view point will be forthcoming, however.:D
 
Surely there is not much more to know than the guy loses his temper and batters the bejaysus out of the horse? Even if the horse was well known at home for doing that then I think the guy should know the difference between beating it at home or at a show? Unless of course the horse whispered to the rider that his Mother was a Hamster and his Father smelled of Elderberries?
 
I am also not agreeing with his actions may I just point out- more suggesting there may be more to the situation than we can possibly know.
One of my biggest bugbears on the showjumping tracks are hot headed young people taking their errors out on the horse.
 
RunToEarth said:
When, on this thread, does it say that because you do not compete you know nothing?
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Bugger, it won't let me quote twice, but it was the bit where said "most of you know nothing about the ins and outs of competing at that level". I must confess, I found it a bit patronising.
 
indiat said:
There we go.
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I don't compete at that level either, at no point in that statement did I imply you know nothing, I was saying that most people don't know the ins and outs of competing at that level, I'm sure most of us are not exposed to such pressures.
 
Seen it before on here and yes it's certainly over the top, I wouldn't want to ever witness anyone doing that, it would make me feel quite sick to be honest.

What I can't understand is how the horse put it with it, good god any horse that I've ridden, if I was to beat it like that, I'd of ended up in hospital and I doubt very much they would let a rider on its back again! ....very strange :confused:

I'd like to see him do that to Mackenzie, jeeeeeeeez he wouldnt last 2 seconds! :D
 
I refused to get off the sofa yesterday when I was asked, so my husband repeatedly beat me with a whip, god it was so nice, I'm hoping he'll get the spurs out tomorrow, then we're gonna finish off the evening by sniffing elderberries and wearing hamsters on our heads:D:D:D

and don't you dare judge us, you don't know our situation so keep your sticky beaks out!!!!
 
TBH I don't care what the situation was, the reaction of that rider was wrong. It would be wrong no matter when it happened, and wrong no matter whether anyone was watching. It would be wrong in a riding school, and wrong at the Olympics.

We are not talking about one, two, or three smacks here - I have no problem with disciplining a horse and believe it or not, have done so myself on many occasions. That video does not show a horse being disciplined. It shows a rider losing control first of his horse, then of himself.

Beating a horse like that teaches the horse nothing. A well timed smack can be a useful lesson, but I can't see what the horse would learn from being beaten repeatedly that would be of any use.
 
Rotchana said:
I refused to get off the sofa yesterday when I was asked, so my husband repeatedly beat me with a whip, god it was so nice, I'm hoping he'll get the spurs out tomorrow, then we're gonna finish off the evening by sniffing elderberries and wearing hamsters on our heads:D:D:D

and don't you dare judge us, you don't know our situation so keep your sticky beaks out!!!!
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You disgust me:mad: You hamster abuser, you!

:p:D
 
Go to any BS (BSJA) jumping & you will see horses that refuse, then stick their heads up in the air (as far as they can in the amounts of leather most of them have their heads festooned in) & try to run away in terror expecting a real hammering - which is what would probably happen away from the public eye.
Now I'm not condoning the actions shown on the video clip, but I think it's worth pointing out that the horse wasn't alarmed when the rider picked up the whip, nor was it unsettled after it had jumped the fence. In other words the way the horse responded tell us that having the whip used in this manner is not a regular occurance in it's life.

BS judges rarely pull up riders on misuse of the whip, spurs, or bit come to that especially not if it's a 'name'. Although I believe Ellen W was disciplined after her disgraceful misuse of her spurs when her horse refused to come down the derby bank at Hickstead a year or so ago.
 
RunToEarth said:
I don't compete at that level either, at no point in that statement did I imply you know nothing, I was saying that most people don't know the ins and outs of competing at that level, I'm sure most of us are not exposed to such pressures.
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True and it must be incredibly pressured, I give you that. But surely if we would not condone it in some one at our level, we should not condone it in a professional rider either? We look to this people as being the very best and the standard bearers for the whole sport. We expect them to cope under pressure, that is after all, the mark of an excellent athlete whatever the sport. And I am sure ALL of us on here at some time or another, have lost their rag, especially if things outside of riding are going badly but it still makes the subsequent behaviour wrong. I can remember all the times I have lost my temper with my old mare and believe me, I still feel ashamed.
 
Rotchana said:
I refused to get off the sofa yesterday when I was asked, so my husband repeatedly beat me with a whip, god it was so nice, I'm hoping he'll get the spurs out tomorrow, then we're gonna finish off the evening by sniffing elderberries and wearing hamsters on our heads:D:D:D

and don't you dare judge us, you don't know our situation so keep your sticky beaks out!!!!
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You and your silly English Knnnnnnnigits! :D
 
Rotchana said:
I refused to get off the sofa yesterday when I was asked, so my husband repeatedly beat me with a whip, god it was so nice, I'm hoping he'll get the spurs out tomorrow, then we're gonna finish off the evening by sniffing elderberries and wearing hamsters on our heads:D:D:D

and don't you dare judge us, you don't know our situation so keep your sticky beaks out!!!!
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Forcing a hamster onto a height?!! May God have mercy on your soul!!! :D :D
 
I'm certainly not pink and fluffy but:

a) He broke the rules, he deserves to be reprimanded for that whether you agree with his beating his horse up or not

b) His approach to the fence was wrong and most horses wouldn't have jumped from there - perhaps, since it was his error, he should have been repeatedly beaten with a riding crop?

c) Show jumpers deal with this pressure every time they compete. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

FTR, my horses get a good wallop if they do something dangerous or uncalled for. One smack. They tend not to do it again. There is NEVER a reason to beat the **** out of a horse. Competition should be the test of a partnership and mutual respect, not how well a rider can beat submission into the animal.
 
As Zebedee has pointed out above, it happens a lot more than people realise. I did actually used to do quite a bit of lower level bsja on bog, and possibly stuck out like a sore thumb with the absence of draw/bungie reins whilst warming up and the lack of familier sj "bling".
A lot of it goes unoticed, no one comments and the whole thing does go a bit silly. Robert Whitaker was actually asked to remove his gross "cowboy" spurs at GYS a few years ago when I was working for him and spun a massive hissy fit about it.
I've come to the conclusion recently the BS(JA) is slightly off the rails, especially up the rankings, which is why it possibly doesn't shock me that things like this are accepted.
 
thelwell_girl said:
Yeah but no but, I COMPETE my hamsters you see, I KNOW what my hammysters want! (To be stewed with garlic, rosemary and served with a light white wine sauce :p)
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I think I just wet myself laughing!!! Ah, bladder control, you never really miss until its gone....
 
RTE, I know it happens a lot but that does not make it any less wrong.

100,000 horses transported long-distance to slaughter every year - lots of people must be involved for such a large number to go, but it's still wrong!
 
thats just horrible. if i owned a horse he was riding it would be gone out of his yard. its this type of behavior (for whtever reason) that can give equine sports a bad name.
o.k give a horse a reminder(i always hit my boot with the whip rather than my horse the noise of it slapping the boot does the trick) or tell it off if it bits ok kicks but what he did was pure rage and not acceptable.
 
Rotchana said:
an jus cos u "COMPETE" em u know the best way to cook em 'eh?
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YEAH MAN!!

I also make my hamsters dance...
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And act...
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And fly to the moon!
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Oh and...
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;);):D:D
 
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The back story is – the same rider beat ten bells out of the same horse at another show a few years ago. The horse had a problem with water jumps then, and it has a problem with them now. Maybe because he gets the **** beaten out of him and the memory stuck?
He clearly can't school for **** and just lost his temper. Glad the FEI has finally done something about it.
 
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