Achinghips
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look you dont no my situashun, my amster is a seasoned paraglider an i tort it at nite time, so keep yiour sticky beak out
This makes me so angry!!
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look you dont no my situashun, my amster is a seasoned paraglider an i tort it at nite time, so keep yiour sticky beak out
Thelwell_Girl
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B-b-b-but... Its MY thread! I know whats best for it!
indiat
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Thank you for that. The big question is, does his "situation" change the severity of the incident in any way or make anyone other than an FEI official unable to comment?
Sarah Sum1
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^^^^ agreed! No-one has the right to treat any animal in such an agressive way, about 10 wacks too many!!! Disgusting, don't care who he is, what the sitution is, that was appauling horsemanship!!
Thelwell_Girl
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look you dont no my situashun, my amster is a seasoned paraglider an i tort it at nite time, so keep yiour sticky beak out
Honestly, indiat, me and Rotchana are like top amster competeteterrs.
Its TRUE!
Cedars
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Ok, here's my "reasoned arguement".
Below is a photo of my dog (and my OHs legs!).
Now, from this photo you could (sort of) reasonably presume a variety of things:
1. Chloe is having a shower because she'd just jumped in the water feature.
2. He is punishing her for a naughty act by spraying her repeatedly up the nose (hence the grip on her collar).
3. He is about to strangle her with the hose.
4. He is about to whip her with the hose.
5. He's about to set his dangerous black lab onto a passer by, with the intention to then spray them with the hose.
6. He's grabbing Chloe to stop her running under a car.
7. He's grabbing Chloe to stop her shaking water all over my camera.
8. Chloe is wet because he's being trying to drown her in a pond he's been filling up with the hose.
9. The bottle in the background is his weapon of abuse that he regularly beats her with.
Now, because I am telling you, actually the photo shows what option number 1 suggests - and we love the pup very much!!
What I'm saying, though, is that you don't for definite know the situation, so you COULD assume many things from it. You could assume that we're horrific dog owners who abuse the pups.
You can't KNOW from one video of one situation, the definitive truth on what the story behind this is. You don't know the person (well, I'm assuming you don't anyway), and you don't know the horse.
Hannah xx
Below is a photo of my dog (and my OHs legs!).
Now, from this photo you could (sort of) reasonably presume a variety of things:
1. Chloe is having a shower because she'd just jumped in the water feature.
2. He is punishing her for a naughty act by spraying her repeatedly up the nose (hence the grip on her collar).
3. He is about to strangle her with the hose.
4. He is about to whip her with the hose.
5. He's about to set his dangerous black lab onto a passer by, with the intention to then spray them with the hose.
6. He's grabbing Chloe to stop her running under a car.
7. He's grabbing Chloe to stop her shaking water all over my camera.
8. Chloe is wet because he's being trying to drown her in a pond he's been filling up with the hose.
9. The bottle in the background is his weapon of abuse that he regularly beats her with.
Now, because I am telling you, actually the photo shows what option number 1 suggests - and we love the pup very much!!
What I'm saying, though, is that you don't for definite know the situation, so you COULD assume many things from it. You could assume that we're horrific dog owners who abuse the pups.
You can't KNOW from one video of one situation, the definitive truth on what the story behind this is. You don't know the person (well, I'm assuming you don't anyway), and you don't know the horse.
Hannah xx
eahotson
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Its show jumping.They are all like that.I still feel angry at some of the things I have seen.They beat the kids too.I have seen plenty of that.
Spudlet
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Flamehead, what is there to know? The horse got a beating, and beating horses is wrong! Not a smack, not discipline - a beating. I absolutely cannot understand why you are defending the indefensible. And you with a rescue horse too! I thought you gave a toss about horse welfare, but obviously that was a mistake!
SusannaF
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As pointed out, he broke FEI rules by beating the horse that many times. So that's the end of the story, really, and all questions about the situation are void.
And I would have a problem if I saw a video of someone repeatedly hitting that puppy. A whack for punishment is one thing, a beating like that is another.
And I would have a problem if I saw a video of someone repeatedly hitting that puppy. A whack for punishment is one thing, a beating like that is another.
Thelwell_Girl
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Thankyou for the reasoned argument flamehead!Ok, here's my "reasoned arguement".
Below is a photo of my dog (and my OHs legs!).
Now, from this photo you could (sort of) reasonably presume a variety of things:
1. Chloe is having a shower because she'd just jumped in the water feature.
2. He is punishing her for a naughty act by spraying her repeatedly up the nose (hence the grip on her collar).
3. He is about to strangle her with the hose.
4. He is about to whip her with the hose.
5. He's about to set his dangerous black lab onto a passer by, with the intention to then spray them with the hose.
6. He's grabbing Chloe to stop her running under a car.
7. He's grabbing Chloe to stop her shaking water all over my camera.
8. Chloe is wet because he's being trying to drown her in a pond he's been filling up with the hose.
9. The bottle in the background is his weapon of abuse that he regularly beats her with.
Now, because I am telling you, actually the photo shows what option number 1 suggests - and we love the pup very much!!
What I'm saying, though, is that you don't for definite know the situation, so you COULD assume many things from it. You could assume that we're horrific dog owners who abuse the pups.
You can't KNOW from one video of one situation, the definitive truth on what the story behind this is. You don't know the person (well, I'm assuming you don't anyway), and you don't know the horse.
Hannah xx
I understand where you are coming from, and I for one don't know the rider or the horse, but if I saw ANYONE behaving in such an agressive manor, whether I knew them or not, whether I knew the reasons behind their behaviour or not, I would still be worried.
Also, for the record, to me it just looks like your dog is just getting a bath, nothing more nothing less!
T_G x
Munchkin
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Oh my word.
Sarah Sum1
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Ok, here's my "reasoned arguement".
Below is a photo of my dog (and my OHs legs!).
Now, from this photo you could (sort of) reasonably presume a variety of things:
1. Chloe is having a shower because she'd just jumped in the water feature.
2. He is punishing her for a naughty act by spraying her repeatedly up the nose (hence the grip on her collar).
3. He is about to strangle her with the hose.
4. He is about to whip her with the hose.
5. He's about to set his dangerous black lab onto a passer by, with the intention to then spray them with the hose.
6. He's grabbing Chloe to stop her running under a car.
7. He's grabbing Chloe to stop her shaking water all over my camera.
8. Chloe is wet because he's being trying to drown her in a pond he's been filling up with the hose.
9. The bottle in the background is his weapon of abuse that he regularly beats her with.
Now, because I am telling you, actually the photo shows what option number 1 suggests - and we love the pup very much!!
What I'm saying, though, is that you don't for definite know the situation, so you COULD assume many things from it. You could assume that we're horrific dog owners who abuse the pups.
You can't KNOW from one video of one situation, the definitive truth on what the story behind this is. You don't know the person (well, I'm assuming you don't anyway), and you don't know the horse.
Hannah xx
Yes but name just one situation when beating ahorse like that is acceptable? There isn't one. It is uncalled for, and the situation is pretty clear, the horse refused the jump.
Accepting there could be more to it, and the full story could maybe unclear, there is still not one excuse in the world for that amount of whipping! It is bad horsemanship IMO
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Cedars
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Spudlet dont you dare speak to me like that. My horses are extremely well cared for and don't you dare suggest otherwise. What I'm saying is that people can be so bloody quick to jump on people that they don't know.
Obviously, this guy is actually just a **** (thanks to whoever posted the back story, sorry can't remember your name right now), and he should be punished for his actions.
However, would you have felt the same hatred towards him if he'd got off, been so sickened with guilt he'd sobbed for a week, and never EVER laid a finger on another horse ever again? Obviously in this case that wasn't what happened, but you wouldn't know that just from the video.
Obviously, this guy is actually just a **** (thanks to whoever posted the back story, sorry can't remember your name right now), and he should be punished for his actions.
However, would you have felt the same hatred towards him if he'd got off, been so sickened with guilt he'd sobbed for a week, and never EVER laid a finger on another horse ever again? Obviously in this case that wasn't what happened, but you wouldn't know that just from the video.
RunToEarth
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I think a lot of people will smirk at that, but it is actually very true. I can remember my friend aged 17 telling me he had been locked in the tackroom following a very bad show. And these people are not amateurs, they are out at the big gigs every single week getting the household name. It's just wrong. My mum used to hope for a pole down so we didn't have to stay for the jump off...!
Achinghips
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Ok, here's my "reasoned arguement".
Below is a photo of my dog (and my OHs legs!).
Now, from this photo you could (sort of) reasonably presume a variety of things:
1. Chloe is having a shower because she'd just jumped in the water feature.
2. He is punishing her for a naughty act by spraying her repeatedly up the nose (hence the grip on her collar).
3. He is about to strangle her with the hose.
4. He is about to whip her with the hose.
5. He's about to set his dangerous black lab onto a passer by, with the intention to then spray them with the hose.
6. He's grabbing Chloe to stop her running under a car.
7. He's grabbing Chloe to stop her shaking water all over my camera.
8. Chloe is wet because he's being trying to drown her in a pond he's been filling up with the hose.
9. The bottle in the background is his weapon of abuse that he regularly beats her with.
Now, because I am telling you, actually the photo shows what option number 1 suggests - and we love the pup very much!!
What I'm saying, though, is that you don't for definite know the situation, so you COULD assume many things from it. You could assume that we're horrific dog owners who abuse the pups.
You can't KNOW from one video of one situation, the definitive truth on what the story behind this is. You don't know the person (well, I'm assuming you don't anyway), and you don't know the horse.
Hannah xx
GO compare, Go compare conserve your cash, go compare:
*hic*
village idiot :D
Ok, here's my "reasoned arguement".
Below is a photo of my dog (and my OHs legs!).
Now, from this photo you could (sort of) reasonably presume a variety of things:
1. Chloe is having a shower because she'd just jumped in the water feature.
2. He is punishing her for a naughty act by spraying her repeatedly up the nose (hence the grip on her collar).
3. He is about to strangle her with the hose.
4. He is about to whip her with the hose.
5. He's about to set his dangerous black lab onto a passer by, with the intention to then spray them with the hose.
6. He's grabbing Chloe to stop her running under a car.
7. He's grabbing Chloe to stop her shaking water all over my camera.
8. Chloe is wet because he's being trying to drown her in a pond he's been filling up with the hose.
9. The bottle in the background is his weapon of abuse that he regularly beats her with.
Now, because I am telling you, actually the photo shows what option number 1 suggests - and we love the pup very much!!
What I'm saying, though, is that you don't for definite know the situation, so you COULD assume many things from it. You could assume that we're horrific dog owners who abuse the pups.
You can't KNOW from one video of one situation, the definitive truth on what the story behind this is. You don't know the person (well, I'm assuming you don't anyway), and you don't know the horse.
Hannah xx
OK, so having viewed the video what other stories can you make out other than horse was poorly presented at a jump in a competition, rider beat it every stride and it jumped next time (I think I counted 11 times with the whip).
I suppose you could have that the horse tried to pull out of the jump and caused the rider a trapped nerve in his shoulder. Rider knew from previous experience that he could release said nerve by raising and lowering his arm at speed.
Rider had itch under arm pit?
Horsefly landed on horse distracting it from the jump and the rider was making every effort to swat said horsefly.
cba to think of any more, can you come up with any that excuse what he did?
Cedars
Well-Known Member
Haha thanks, actually she was practically pinned down cos the little bugger is such a wriggler!! xx
Spudlet
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No, it would make no difference to me. I care about the horse, not about how bad he felt or didn't feel afterwards.
All I have to judge you on is what you post here, and you have shown me a very different side to yourself today. You are not the person I thought.
Cedars
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Could people please READ what I'm saying? I'm NOT saying he was right to do that. I'm saying I don't think people should jump on him because you don't know the back story (although we now do). See above about sobbing for week xxx
Zebedee
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Yet the horse didn't show any signs of expecting the whip to be used - hence whilst I don't condone what he did it's not a regular occurance - once every two years it would seem. If the rider still has the horse two years down the line & as the horse obviously wasn't frightened when he picked up the whip I just can't see this being the riders usual M.O.
indiat
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Hi Hannah,
Thank you for replying and taking the time to think it through. Can I just point out that you are showing me a still image of your gorgeous dog and you are right, I could assume many things from the image. But a video would put paid to many of these assumptions, certainly 2,3,4 and 5. Believe it or not, I wouldn't assume number nine. If I thought that way I would never leave the house. But in the video we saw of this rider he was clearly beating his animal and I feel, as a rider, that it was unecessary. While such practices may go on regularly at top level, it does not make them right. I lost my temper with my mare twice in 10 years - I loved her dearly and the majority of the time I was a good owner but still, I was not right. Some behaviour is clearly beyond the pale and while mitigating circumstances would prove whether a person is downright cruel or someone who snapped under pressure, the resulting behaviour is still wrong. Could I point out I was not calling for this rider to be condemmned to eternal damnation? I still think he was out of order though and it is not behaviour we should turn a blind eye to either. And the horse might be a right sod but I don't see how beating the animal in competition is going to help. As others have pointed out, competition is not just about how high or fast you jump but how well you work together. Look at Cruising - a really quirky animal but talented and to the best of my knowledge, smacked but never beaten in competition.
Che x
Thank you for replying and taking the time to think it through. Can I just point out that you are showing me a still image of your gorgeous dog and you are right, I could assume many things from the image. But a video would put paid to many of these assumptions, certainly 2,3,4 and 5. Believe it or not, I wouldn't assume number nine. If I thought that way I would never leave the house. But in the video we saw of this rider he was clearly beating his animal and I feel, as a rider, that it was unecessary. While such practices may go on regularly at top level, it does not make them right. I lost my temper with my mare twice in 10 years - I loved her dearly and the majority of the time I was a good owner but still, I was not right. Some behaviour is clearly beyond the pale and while mitigating circumstances would prove whether a person is downright cruel or someone who snapped under pressure, the resulting behaviour is still wrong. Could I point out I was not calling for this rider to be condemmned to eternal damnation? I still think he was out of order though and it is not behaviour we should turn a blind eye to either. And the horse might be a right sod but I don't see how beating the animal in competition is going to help. As others have pointed out, competition is not just about how high or fast you jump but how well you work together. Look at Cruising - a really quirky animal but talented and to the best of my knowledge, smacked but never beaten in competition.
Che x
Cedars
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What so you're telling me you would have NO difference of opinion between someone who lost their temper once, did something awful, and then repented and never ever EVER did anything again, to someone who repeatedly beats their horses to the floor on a regular basis??
Quite frankly it doesn't bother me what you think, I'm entitled to my opinion just like everybody else on this forum, and debate is good for everyone. However, I will not have you insulting how I look after my horses.
SusannaF
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If I lost the plot and beat up a horse once in an arena, I'd do my best to ensure I never did it again. What kind of temper would you need to have to be booed by the crowd at the 2008 event, and then do it again in 2010?
Sarah Sum1
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But IMO it doesn't matter what the back story is! His behaviour was unacceptable so he will be jumped on! If he got off and sobbed I would feel no different, he should learn to control his temper, stupid man. I could understand what you're saying if his actions could be excused for a reason, but they never could be.
Also to add and be even more annoying
I know even if he never did it again, I would still be just as angry at him and his actions. He should learn to respect the horse and control his temper.
Also to add and be even more annoying
I know even if he never did it again, I would still be just as angry at him and his actions. He should learn to respect the horse and control his temper.
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Munchkin
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Weren't you telling everyone who disagreed with you to keep their sticky beaks out a minute ago?
And yes, him beating his horse up once is preferable to him beating it on a regular basis, but it still doesn't make it right, nor does it mean he shouldn't be bound by the rules.
indiat
Well-Known Member
But if you live in the public eye, people will judge you for what you do in public. Even if he feels awful, he still should be punished and people who have said its disgusting behaviour on this thread are in the right. I am sure there is worse going on out there but it doesn't mean we should shrug our shoulders over stuff like this. And I don't want to start an argument but your first post was rather inflammatory. If we all sat here saying "ooooh, isn't it terrible but he's probably a very nice man," then we would be fluffy!
Achinghips
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I can, rider thought he'd liven things up by pretending to be a one winged chicken on horseback to increase viewing figures on utube
Rider had secret leverage jumping device to encourage horse to raise hindlimbs
FlorenceBassey
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That is nothing seriouse i have seen much much worse, please, does the horse really look bothered? no, does he/she looks scared? no, does he/she look uncared for, lame, over or under weight? no, If you wish to cause an uproar find something worth roaring about.