This weekend I met one of the nastiest dogs I've ever met

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and it was only 2 years old.

Walking Yellow Dog yesterday morning and saw a lady coming towards us with a German Shepherd leaping about on the end of its lead and properly lungung at the cars and bikes going past on the road. We drew level with her and she shouted that he was friendly just hyperactive :rolleyes: At this point he properly went for Yellow Dog who did his usual trick of getting out of the way. The dog then went for me at which point Yellow Dog did start having a go but I told him off and he came back to heel. The owner was still insistant that he was just hyperactive as he'd chased a couple of cats that morning.

I left her as her dog was really trying to get at both of us and she wasn't in full control. A couple of seconds later he lunged at two kids on bicycles and had one off - they were shaken but ok. A woman then approached me and gave me the dog owners details and begged me to report her. Apparantly they were banned from pupy classes when the dog was a puppy as he got loose and nearly shook a JRT puppy to death and bit the trainer. The womans sister won't go round at all as it had bitten her and all the kids - I'm assuming this wasn't reported as theyre family but I dont know obv.

I can't help but think this is a ticking time bomb and I have no idea how the owner can be so blind to the dangers :confused: I suspect if the dog is sent to a proper handler then he'll 'come right' but I'm worried if it just carries on then someone will get properly hurt. I've reported the incident and the person I spoke to was well aware of the woman but I'm not sure what they can do without a 'proper' incident to follow up on by which time it might be too late :(
 
Needs reported to the dog warden, why on earth would you tolerate a dog biting members of your own family repeatedly. Stupid question I know but what colour was it? Just the usual black and gold?
 
CaveCanem said:
Needs reported to the dog warden, why on earth would you tolerate a dog biting members of your own family repeatedly. Stupid question I know but what colour was it? Just the usual black and gold?
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Black and gold and very fluffy.

Dobiegirl said:
What a stupid woman, it just goes to show how easy it is to ruin a dog.

Cop-pop did you report it to the dog warden or the police?.
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I rang the non emergancy police number for the town. I didnt even think of the dog warden tbh.
 
The dog warden could monitor the route and catch them in the act if that makes any sense.
Would he have a heavier coat than my black dog would you say? Like very heavy coated? Sorry again, is does sound ridiculous but there is method in my madness, honest :o
 
CSI Cave Canem on the case!
Sounds like this dog is definitely an accident waiting to happen. You probably won't be able to speak to Dog Warden till tomorrow but I would say it is worth telling him about this dog too.
 
owners like this make the rest of us look bad :mad::mad::mad:

one of my friends was riding on the hills by us and a dog was running free and owner was oh its grand meanwhile this dog was trying to eat the horse and owner totally non plussed :mad: she was lucky it was not me and my horse as im a moody mare at the best of times :p:p
 
CaveCanem said:
The dog warden could monitor the route and catch them in the act if that makes any sense.
Would he have a heavier coat than my black dog would you say? Like very heavy coated? Sorry again, is does sound ridiculous but there is method in my madness, honest :o
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It looked quite thick but soft but not really sure if he had more fluff than Floofy tho. His head was very dark - mostly black if that helps?
 
What a shame that the puppy class kicked them out instead of trying to help them through the issues when the dog was smaller.

Why does she not walk the blumming thing in isolated places!
 
Lexie, I agree. I understand them wanting to preserve the safety of other dogs but they could have at least referred the owner to a trainer used to dealing with more difficult dogs, having been chucked out she probably then kept him away from all other dogs/the dog was never socialised properly, hence the problems she is now having.

We have had some holy terrors come to us (in fact that was the reason I started training in the first place, my dog was becoming very hard for me to manage) and they've all improved vastly.
The one skirmish I remember, involved my dog's sister, she was very nasty vocally to other dogs, gobbed off at a very dominant young male during an active heelwork session, he escaped his handler, ran over, floored the bitch and held her on the ground.
No one was hurt, no puncture wounds, obviously not ideal at all but she hasn't gobbed off at another dog since.

Having said that, he could just be a nasty brute, a lot of it is handler error but they do exist :( but needs sorting either way.
 
My guess is the poor sod's never been let off the lead. Probably due to lack of control and general ignorance.
They must have proper exercise or they quickly become neurotic. What a terrible shame. Wish I could help.
 
Of course- but the dog could have been muzzled at class...... I know its hard- i can not for love nor money find a class like the one BC takes her dogs to to help with his issues around other dogs in this area. All of them will not allow vocal/aggressive/loonatic dogs in- who are the ones who need the blumming help"!!
 
"All of them will not allow vocal/aggressive/loonatic dogs in"

Because they don't know how to deal with them, probably :( and the owners get no help, the dog gets worse and then the crap hits the fan. But they call themselves 'trainers'.
That's another rant for another day!!!!!!!
 
CaveCanem said:
"All of them will not allow vocal/aggressive/loonatic dogs in"

Because they don't know how to deal with them, probably :( and the owners get no help, the dog gets worse and then the crap hits the fan. But they call themselves 'trainers'.
That's another rant for another day!!!!!!!
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Yep very true- easy to teach a 10 week old pup sit.... not so easy to teach a 2 year old nutter to not react!!
 
lexiedhb said:
Yep very true- easy to teach a 10 week old pup sit.... not so easy to teach a 2 year old nutter to not react!!
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I don't know what passes for club training these days (not much apparently) but I can well remember being on my hands and knees coaxing a snarling, snapping, 16 wkd old pup out from under a chair. They were always the poor scraps with dodgy names for some reason. We always helped them. If you love dogs that's what you do, surely?
 
lexiedhb said:
What a shame that the puppy class kicked them out instead of trying to help them through the issues when the dog was smaller.

Why does she not walk the blumming thing in isolated places!
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I don't know the full story of what happened so it may have been offered. In the time I met them it was very plain that the owner was totally blind to the dogs faults which is probably the biggest cause of the problems. She never once told him off just kept making excuses to people.
 
Fellewell said:
I don't know what passes for club training these days (not much apparently) but I can well remember being on my hands and knees coaxing a snarling, snapping, 16 wkd old pup out from under a chair. They were always the poor scraps with dodgy names for some reason. We always helped them. If you love dogs that's what you do, surely?
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If anyone knows a decent one in Surrey- do let me know!!!
 
Well there is that whole ignore the bad and reward the good thing - sorry, lunging at cars and bikes, attacking other dogs, biting people and bringing kids off bikes cannot be ignored :( hopefully the dog warden can catch her out and offer some advice before it is too late for either the dog or the next poor sod that he nails :(
 
CaveCanem said:
Well there is that whole ignore the bad and reward the good thing - sorry, lunging at cars and bikes, attacking other dogs, biting people and bringing kids off bikes cannot be ignored :( hopefully the dog warden can catch her out and offer some advice before it is too late for either the dog or the next poor sod that he nails :(
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That's hearsay though isn't it? I'm guessing you're a Shepherd trainer so you know the breed, they're not everyones cup of tea and are very often much maligned/misunderstood. They also very often sound/look a lot worse than they are;)
 
Well the OP has been told that the dog has bitten and has seen it with her own eyes lunging at people/dogs/kids on bikes and the owner doing nothing, so that is what I am going on, rightly or wrongly.
I'm no trainer, I do not have the temperament for it :o
I've dealt with a couple of vehicular :p lungers, one my own, who is insecure and defensive, the other who was bored witless and had a lot of drive that was misdirected, and was making his own entertainment (the latter was much easier to deal with) and with both types of reaction, ignoring it did not make it go away.
 
There are good trainers out there if people can be bothered to get off their arse and look/ask around. My opinion of this woman hasnt changed and Im sure if it was a responsible breeder who bred him/her they would be only too happy to help.

When I took on Fred I made sure I found a trainer who was familar with the breed he actually also owned them. Fred was very reactive to any dog that barked or looked in his direction and if you over checked him he would come back up the lead to bite you. With a lot of work we overcame his issues, but this woman does seem to be overwhelmed by her dog.
 
Dobiegirl said:
There are good trainers out there if people can be bothered to get off their arse and look/ask around. My opinion of this woman hasnt changed and Im sure if it was a responsible breeder who bred him/her they would be only too happy to help.

When I took on Fred I made sure I found a trainer who was familar with the breed he actually also owned them. Fred was very reactive to any dog that barked or looked in his direction and if you over checked him he would come back up the lead to bite you. With a lot of work we overcame his issues, but this woman does seem to be overwhelmed by her dog.
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In certain areas maybe but TRUST me I have tried/looked.... and still am 8 months on. :(
 
Lexie definately not aimed at you as you know Ive been very supportive, my remark was because as a pup this dog was kicked out of class and imo if she had looked further she would have found someone. Adult dogs are far more difficult BC was lucky in her trainer so was I with Fred. In my area there are quite a few trainers with the training,background and more importantly experience to deal with dogs which are reactive.

You would have thought anyone with any sense would walk her dog in quiet areas and do her best to avoid other dogs but this woman just seems to go out and hope for the best.

Lexie have you had anymore meetings with the stooge dog people.?
 
Yes- but we are still having 1-2-1's, despite his amazing assesment. They thought Dex needed a high ranking dog to speak with him, que Husky bitch, but it just turned into the most god awful barking match and i have never seen a dog so stressed as Dex was afterwards- I very nearly did not go back. I now walk dex round a field with theirs clicking and treating, but it is an expensive 15 mins when he never actually gets to meet them per se. Hoping this WILL eventually move on, to him participating in their "groups" which is what i think would be beneficial for him
 
If someone got a box of chocs out in front of me and I was never allowed one my desire for one would be increased.

To me what they are doing is increasing Dexs desire to meet with another dog and it seems to me when he does get the chance to meet another dog he is just going to be so over excited and he will overwhelm the other dog.

I just wish you lived nearer to me a run with Diesel would do him the world of good, Diesel does not react at all and I know these people have to be careful but poor Dexs frustation is just increasing.

There is a very good description of this in The Culture Clash so if you havnt read it yet I would advise it.
 
Read it- and all others.......#

I wouldnt say he is getting any more frustrated, as he does have dogs he CAN meet, and is generally very good with them....
 
Lexie,

Roger Mugford's place ( somewhere in Surrey) does classes I believe.

I've no idea if they would be suitable, but might be worth having a look on their website?

Best wishes.

ITM
 
Inthemud said:
Lexie,

Roger Mugford's place ( somewhere in Surrey) does classes I believe.

I've no idea if they would be suitable, but might be worth having a look on their website?

Best wishes.

ITM
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Thanks- have looked at his site before but his adult dog training class says this underneath it
"Please note that this class is only suitable for dogs who are very good with other dogs and people. If your dog shows any aggression towards people, other dogs or you, and you would like to discuss your dog's suitability for the class please ring us on 01932 574293 before booking. This class is not a socialisation course for adult dogs. If your dog requires socialisation then please ring us before booking onto this course."

Not overly useful!
 
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