Those who feed oily herbs...

Pinkvboots said:
I buy oregano, rosemary, thyme, and spearmint from wholefoods thet are 1kg bags of each, I just mix the whole lot together and feed 60g once a day it was the cheapest way to do it that I could find.
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This is what I do. I left out the spearmint from the last order though and they're still eating it fine (mainly included it for palatability) so might leave it out permanently now.
 
Tiddlypom said:
You can feed the herbs fresh, in fact that's probably the ideal.

The base mix of oily herbs as recommended by Equibiome includes thyme, oregano and rosemary.

Extra herbs such as dandelion, nettle and hawthorn are a brucey bonus :). It's just replicating what ideally a horse should be able to browse on naturally, and it supports a healthy hind gut.

Gut balancers support the foregut. I feed both the oily herbs and the gut balancer which is included in Pro Balance+ along with vits and mins.
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If you feed a gut balancer with a protected form of live yeast, enough live yeast cells can, apparently, reach the hind gut.
 
peanutsmumma said:
What do you feed the herbs with..... chaff, balancer etc?
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I just put mine in with a token feed of Alfabeet. I chuck it in before I soak it as I read that making the herbs into a tea makes for better bioavailability and thought that was close enough to a tea. ? (Plus the feed room smells nice). You could also add them to chaff or a balancer though.
 
Fruitcake said:
I just put mine in with a token feed of Alfabeet. I chuck it in before I soak it as I read that making the herbs into a tea makes for better bioavailability and thought that was close enough to a tea. ? (Plus the feed room smells nice). You could also add them to chaff or a balancer though.
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At the moment I feed a chaff, a Codlette crumb conditioner and Naf Vit & Min supplement.
Would it mean adding the herbs to what I already feed....or substituting something!?
 
peanutsmumma said:
What do you feed the herbs with..... chaff, balancer etc?
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I feed grass chaff emerald or graze on, and unmolassed sugar beet, micronised linseed salt and magnesium and msm, I sometimes feed pro balance from progressive earth if I think they need it, I also add aloe vera juice mainly through the winter really or if they seem stressed for whatever reason.
 
Pinkvboots said:
I feed grass chaff emerald or graze on, and unmolassed sugar beet, micronised linseed salt and magnesium and msm, I sometimes feed pro balance from progressive earth if I think they need it, I also add aloe vera juice mainly through the winter really or if they seem stressed for whatever reason.
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Is that aswell as the herbs?

How much salt do you feed and what type?
 
Pinkvboots said:
I feed grass chaff emerald or graze on, and unmolassed sugar beet, micronised linseed salt and magnesium and msm, I sometimes feed pro balance from progressive earth if I think they need it, I also add aloe vera juice mainly through the winter really or if they seem stressed for whatever reason.
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I feed very similar to this - same two of the grass chaffs, unmolassed sugar beet, micronised linseed, joint supplement, vitamin and min supplement and yeasacc.

I then just add the herbs in with the above.
 
I feed the maintence dose of the protexin gut balancer, along with chamomile, dandelion, meadowsweet, spearmint, marshmallow root, fennel seeds and liquorice as an infusion. It's a digestion relief mix from horse herbs
 
Fruitcake said:
If you feed a gut balancer with a protected form of live yeast, enough live yeast cells can, apparently, reach the hind gut.
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I'm pretty certain that the beneficial effects of the strain of yeast used, whether dead (brewers yeast) or alive (yeasacc) have been tested and proven, without it having to be fed in enteric coating to protect it?
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ycbm said:
I'm pretty certain that the beneficial effects of the strain of yeast used, whether dead (brewers yeast) or alive (yeasacc) have been tested and proven, without it having to be fed in enteric coating to protect it?
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AFAIK

dead is prebiotic - good food for good bacteria in gut.

live is probiotic - can help populate gut, but unlikely to survive stomach in to hind gut in any significant quantities

coated (usually live coated in dead yeast I think), stands a good chances of surviving the stomach and making it into hind gut in sufficient quantities.

I dont think if it is uncoated, there is much difference between feeding live or dead yeast, as majority will be dead by the time reaches acid in stomach.

There are proven benefits of feeding unprotected yeast, but I think most are based on the prebiotic, good food source for the good gut bacteria basis.

Protexin Gut balancer contains protected yeast designed to reach hind gut live.

As does science supplements Gut balancer, and a few other gut balancers.

If you get the results you need with brewers yeast / yeasacc then dont change it. If you have an ongoing issue, consider trying a coated yeast designed to reach hind gut alive.
 
Fieldlife said:
AFAIK

dead is prebiotic - good food for good bacteria in gut.

live is probiotic - can help populate gut, but unlikely to survive stomach in to hind gut in any significant quantities

coated (usually live coated in dead yeast I think), stands a good chances of surviving the stomach and making it into hind gut in sufficient quantities.

I dont think if it is uncoated, there is much difference between feeding live or dead yeast, as majority will be dead by the time reaches acid in stomach.

There are proven benefits of feeding unprotected yeast, but I think most are based on the prebiotic, good food source for the good gut bacteria basis.

Protexin Gut balancer contains protected yeast designed to reach hind gut live.

As does science supplements Gut balancer, and a few other gut balancers.

If you get the results you need with brewers yeast / yeasacc then dont change it. If you have an ongoing issue, consider trying a coated yeast designed to reach hind gut alive.
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This is what I understood too.
 
Fieldlife said:
AFAIK

dead is prebiotic - good food for good bacteria in gut.

live is probiotic - can help populate gut, but unlikely to survive stomach in to hind gut in any significant quantities

coated (usually live coated in dead yeast I think), stands a good chances of surviving the stomach and making it into hind gut in sufficient quantities.

I dont think if it is uncoated, there is much difference between feeding live or dead yeast, as majority will be dead by the time reaches acid in stomach.
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Well that would make no sense of feeding 15g of live yeast versus 50g of Brewers yeast, which is the recommendation I've always gone by.

We had a nutritionist on the forum some years back who said, if I recollect correctly, that yeast has two effects, it damps down inflammation that already exists and it prevents inflammation from occuring in the first place, but live yeast does that at a lower quantity.


If you get the results you need with brewers yeast / yeasacc then dont change it. If you have an ongoing issue, consider trying a coated yeast designed to reach hind gut alive.
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Agree with this.
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Can confirm herbs hoovered up by themselves, I've been leaving them next to her hay as an option to pick at but she hoover's them straight up.

Mostly for myself to feel a bit better that she's gone from varied forage on the fell side to more limited field and hay. I suspect she may need something else as well when we really start on the fitness as she's a strange native who self limits her own ad lib hay and is a pretty perfect weight already 🤷
 
Is it worth trying these herbs for problems with free feacal water?
Last time he had it, Vetrogut Acid Fix cleared it up really quickly, and he has been fne until a couple of days ago. The feed store are getting me some more Acid Fix (now soothe and settle I think). His diet /routine hasn't changed at all, but possibly there is a miniscule amount of grass in his otherwise trashed field now. No other symptoms - appetite /coat/drppongs all good, just a truly vile tail and hind legs🤢

Basically, I've been reading these posts on herbs, but decided he didn't another supplement for no reason... is FFW a reason?
 
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