Those who tow without the appropriate license!!

MissChaos said:
I thought the Europa was c.800kg...?

Passing observation, don't have one or looking.
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I don't know about Europa.... The one in the photo attached looks just like old one. I don't remember it's actual unladen weight but it was noticely heavier than my Bateson Ascot that I have now. I couldn't move it at all by myself and I can shove my Bateson. Also felt the difference behind the car.
 
Hi Rog. Jeep patriot is a sw 2.4 5dr petrol. Trailer is the Indespension Monarch horse trailer. They don't make them anymore :(
 
It's drives me mad too. Understanding your frustrations and as much as I would like to shop them in, in reality I wouldn't.
 
Bigbenji said:
Hi Rog. Jeep patriot is a sw 2.4 5dr petrol. Trailer is the Indespension Monarch horse trailer. They don't make them anymore :(
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Jeep PATRIOT SW 2.4 Sport 5dr
kerb 1610
GVW 2010
towing 1500

Max trailer MAM for B licence towing would be 1490 kgs

What does it say about the weight on the trailer plate?
 
Regarding towing with L plates then the person with you must have passed the towing test even if they passed their test before 1997
 
OWLIE185 said:
Regarding towing with L plates then the person with you must have passed the towing test even if they passed their test before 1997
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INCORRECT

SUPERVISING A B+E LEARNER
In April 2010 new rules were introduced for those supervising certain learner drivers but they only affected those supervising VOCATIONAL categories such as C1 C1+E D1 & D1+E where the supervising driver had those categories given to them for free when they passed a pre 1997 car test.
They do not affect those with a pre 1997 B+E licence who wish to supervise a B+E learner.
All B licence holders have B+E provisional on the paper part of their licence and can tow an empty or loaded trailer on all roads including motorways.
The usual rules apply when a learner is driving -
The supervising driver must be aged over 21
The supervising driver must have held a B+E licence for at least 3 years
L plates must be fitted to the front of the vehicle and the rear of the trailer
Correct insurance for a B+E learner
 
ROG said:
What is?? :confused:
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What you get for driving without the test, although just googled it, and found this on another forum, who coincidently are talking on the same subject, and someone replied:

A mate of mine got caught last year he got 3 points and a £500 fine

however majority of people think your car, trailer and contents will be impounded and crushed.

pretty sure they wont crush your horse though.
 
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I answered the question of driving alone in a B+E set up without having a full B+E on the caravan forum yesterday as it happens ....

Because all B drivers have a B+E provisional then they can get charged with this -
No L plates
No supervising driver

Unlikely that they can get done for no insurance because insurers do not usually specify whether towing is included or not in their policies

There is nothing in my policy about towing one way or another but I would inform my insurer if I was going to tow just because it seems the right thing to do

Driving not in accordance with the licence would be used if a B only licence holder was driving a 5 tonne C1 van without having a provisional for it for example
 
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Can I add to the hijacking ROG (sorry OP) re the issue of downplating trailers? I was under the impression that plates on trailers have less legal significance than those on HGVs, and that licensing issues aside, you couldn't get done for exceeding the given MAM.

Is this correct? If so is it obligatory to have a plate at all? It there a formal procedure for downgrading? If you do have your trailer down plated so that you can drive without B+E, can someone with b+E still tow it at its original MAM?

Sorry if these seem like daft questions, I just find the whole thing a bit nebulous. Wouldn't it be better just to introduce weighing of combinations, and put the onus on drivers to ensure they obey by the 3.5 t rule rather than worrying about the numbers stamped on a little bit of tin? But maybe I've misunderstood....
 
Hoptoit said:
Can I add to the hijacking ROG (sorry OP) re the issue of downplating trailers? I was under the impression that plates on trailers have less legal significance than those on HGVs, and that licensing issues aside, you couldn't get done for exceeding the given MAM.

Is this correct? If so is it obligatory to have a plate at all? It there a formal procedure for downgrading? If you do have your trailer down plated so that you can drive without B+E, can someone with b+E still tow it at its original MAM?

Sorry if these seem like daft questions, I just find the whole thing a bit nebulous. Wouldn't it be better just to introduce weighing of combinations, and put the onus on drivers to ensure they obey by the 3.5 t rule rather than worrying about the numbers stamped on a little bit of tin? But maybe I've misunderstood....
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I don't regard this as a thread hi-jack as it was dead and resurrected

There is no legal requirement for trailers of 3500 and under to have plates but that may change with recent EU regs

If a manufacturers plate is not present or cannot be verified then the tyre load ratings for the MAM (max 3500) will be used for the legal definition of MAM

Once a trailer is downplated then to up-plate it the same process is used - by going through the manufacturer and their dealer

If anyone wants to switch trailer MAMs then a somewhat grey method is to remove all plates and ID numbers and to then switch the tyres from low to high ratings

I agree that it would make life a lot easier if a simple max actual weight of 3500 for the combination was the rule for B licence towing - along with the usual rules of not exceeding stated weights
 
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